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Screwtop said:
I used a liquid Strong Belgian yeast in a Coopers Sparkling Kit & Can, simply because the yeast I recultured from a Coopers bottle didn't smell to great and I had a split of the Belgian yeast in the fridge. That thing morphed from horrid at bottling to something special after 6 weeks.
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Same here - I made a Theakstons Old Peculiar late last year and a sample of it tasted horrid - like the old linseed flavoured cough syrup I was forced to endure as a child :blink:

I kept the stuff (can't stand the thought of throwing any beer out :p ) and had a bottle last weekend - magic with loads of complexity that was never initially there - hard to describe but an absolute keeper now!! B)

Cheers,
TL
 
I did something similar with a tooheys draught,added what i thought was too much hops(25 grams)for 10 mins.After tasting at bottling i was going to throw it away,but after reading the forum i thought better of it.Glad i did,as it's now after 6 weeks,my best tasting brew by far,witha lovely cascade hop flavour. :D
 
Snow Gun said:
I'm in the same boat as you SG - begginer, kit brewer. Iv'e found the guys on this forum to be really helpful, and willing to give advice. I do agree though that by reading the posts regarding AG brewing you can still learn alot, especially about ingredients, and even adapt some of the info to kit brewing. Cheers & all the best with your brews. Cal :party:
Well, there's some great replies in there. I really like the community feel here at AHB. I actually also hang out at another forum where there is a good community atmosphere too - common shared interest.

As a couple of you have alluded to, the internet has become a great place for the exchange of information. In the old days home brewers may meet up with a couple of their mates over a brew, discuss things and share experiences. Now it can be done all over the world.

In hindsight the title probably wasn't the best, possibly should have been Kit Brewers / AG or something, but I can't be bothered changing it now :p

I actually posted just to have a bit of a chat and get to know some of you guys (are there many girls here??)

I appreciate what you all have to say and the willingness to share information. I hope I can help out soon.

What I really wanna know is how the hell do you drink all of your beers? I drink about a case a week (commercial beer) at the moment, can probably see that going up when mine is ready, but I couldn't fathom drinking too much more.....

Cheers
SG
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Think of brewing as two separate sets of skills. One set is the creation of wort, the other is the management of fermentation. Master fermentation management first and then move onto wort management. In both you have a wide range of options as to how much you do yourself and how much you let a manufacturer do. Not many of us grow and malt their own grain (though I'm sure many woudl like to!). So don't be put off by the intensely enthusiastic and knowledgeable folks. Take a long-term view; just go about accumulating knowledge at your own pace, give yourself time to progress through experience, don't be afraid of asking dumb questions or making mistakes -- we've all been there. And just enjoy yourself.
 
Steve Lacey said:
Think of brewing as two separate sets of skills. One set is the creation of wort, the other is the management of fermentation. Master fermentation management first and then move onto wort management. In both you have a wide range of options as to how much you do yourself and how much you let a manufacturer do. Not many of us grow and malt their own grain (though I'm sure many woudl like to!). So don't be put off by the intensely enthusiastic and knowledgeable folks. Take a long-term view; just go about accumulating knowledge at your own pace, give yourself time to progress through experience, don't be afraid of asking dumb questions or making mistakes -- we've all been there. And just enjoy yourself.
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Just brew an enjoy, don't get too technical
 
Great topic Snow! No essay from me tonight which is surprising as this subject really interests me.

In your original post, you said that it felt as though a lot of AHB'ers were hard core brewers ie AG. I think you are quite right there. The majority of people who post here regularly are in that category.

This poses many advantages and a couple of disadvantages to newer brewers. If you look through the latest threads box, you will see many topics that are irrelevant to newer brewers as they are topics that are exploring the cutting edge of home-brewing. Now this is great stuff. It's like you have a whole team of excellent brewers who are experimenting in the grey areas and gradually turning them into black and white for us to get the benefits of later on.

The disadvantage of this is, that a new brewer reading about AG here, will quickly think,as I did, that AG looks pretty hard. It's actually very simple and far more reliable and far more forgiving. For me, it's actually going to be a cheaper option.

Like, Screwtop, I have started and stopped brewing many times as I have always done kits and I have always had a taste in my beers that I find unpalatable. (Until yesterday that is. I actually brewed a dark beer that's not too bad - quite nice really!)

Recently, I had the pleasure of seeing AG done from scratch at Ross's, who I beleive has only been doing AG for a year. The beers were the best I've ever had (including any imported bottled beers) and the process was dead easy and only required an extra hours work on top of what I already do.

So, I think the following 2 points are very important.

1. If you are getting the results you want from kits then that's great. If your mates like your beer then that's even better!

2. If you are not getting the results you want from kits, it's important to realise that AG is not complicated.

A side effect of this site is seeing all these advanced topics which are dealing with the Formula 1 level of brewing - they're looking at ways to make the perfect beer - and unfortunately these can confuse us newer brewers with terminology etc. (I think this may have been why you actually started this topic.)

To get rid of this false notion, the best way is not to read but to ask someone here if you can come and watch them on a brew day. You will be astounded at the generosity here when you ask for help once you have the basics of sanitisation, temperature, etc, right.

If you want a longer version of the above 2 points see Post #4 of this thread

Whilst, at the time of that post, I was forumming a tad under the influence and was pretty frustrated with my brewing attempts, I think it's a good post to read if you ever find yourself not satisfied with kits. (On a quick re-read, the only advice I gave there that I'm not happy with was my comments on fresh wort kits which I actually know nothing about when sober although I seemed to know all about them in that post!)

Finally, there are many brewers who start with kits and succeed in brewing beers they enjoy. This is fact. There are also many brewers who start with kits and do not succeed in creating a beer they enjoy. This is also fact. Often they just dissapear which is a real shame.

At this stage, we don't know if you are happy with your beers or not. I reckon it's safe to say that everyone here will be hoping that you relish your first beers and will honestly be thrilled to raise their glasses to you.

If your beers don't turn out to be what you're after though, don't become dissillusioned as Screwtop and I did. It's very important to know that there are other methods and they are easy if shown first-hand. So if this does end up being the case, the brewers here will simply put down their glasses and open their doors. Sounds pretty good to me either way, Snow!

[Looks like I ended up writing another essay but Screwtop's was probably longer!]
 
PistolPatch said:
Recently, I had the pleasure of seeing AG done from scratch at Ross's, who I beleive has only been doing AG for a year. The beers were the best I've ever had (including any imported bottled beers) and the process was dead easy and only required an extra hours work on top of what I already do.
I have been to a brewing demo at G&G, and came away thinking that an AG brew day would be in the 6-7 hour range, just to get the brew done.
My brew day takes less than 2 hours, starting with cleaning keg, racking beer from cube to keg, clean cube, rack from fermentor to cube, clean fermentor, pour "ESB fresh wort" into fermentor, top up with water to required level, pitch yeast then back into fermenting fridge.
( add an extra hour if doing a Grumpy's Masterbrew )

[/quote]Whilst, at the time of that post, I was forumming a tad under the influence and was pretty frustrated with my brewing attempts, I think it's a good post to read if you ever find yourself not satisfied with kits. (On a quick re-read, the only advice I gave there that I'm not happy with was my comments on fresh wort kits which I actually know nothing about when sober although I seemed to know all about them in that post!)[/quote]
Fresh wort kits are very easy to do, and also very easy to tweak, with additional hops Etc.

[/quote]Finally, there are many brewers who start with kits and succeed in brewing beers they enjoy. This is fact. There are also many brewers who start with kits and do not succeed in creating a beer they enjoy. This is also fact. Often they just dissapear which is a real shame.[/quote]
I have an ex workmate who has done OVER 1,500 brews, all the same way, kit of draught, kilo of raw sugar :eek: , and brewed with heater at around 30*C, and he loves his beer, but to me it tastes like s**t, but to each their own

I know that if I went all grain I could save a heap of dollars, but cheap beer is not critical to me, time is. :)

Normell
 
PistolPatch said:
[Looks like I ended up writing another essay but Screwtop's was probably longer!]
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Please excuse, off topic I know.


PP, my 506 words pale into insignificance. :D :D
 
LOL! I wasn't even under the influence. Have to be MC at a weding today - I must have been practicing!!!
 

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