Ive personally tried the search facility many times and google, the inhouse search function is shite house, but the forums are excellent, quicker to ask the question if no sticky, and if someone is willing to type "try the search function" just a few keystrokes more may have answered the question, too easy IMO. Another prime example of the many varied responses to some questions is to type in "efficiency" and this exact post comes up so why would i want to sort through garbage that i have posted a question on with no answers too? lol. Then in some replies some people think that grain size makes no difference and others reckon milling grain makes all the differences so confusing, typical interenet i wish most would agree it! doh "Irish red" has any relevance?? lol, frustrating, cheers