12 Hours Between Sparge And Boil - Foam In Wort And Funky Smell

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djneli

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Hey guys,

Well I got the shits last night and couldn't be assed boiling my third wort so I left it for today. Ran out of time this morning and when I got home there was a nice 2 inch layer of foam on the top and it had a kind of "funky" smell to it. The wort tastes ok, maybe a touch sour, but there is a bit of a cabbage smell.

It is a pilsner recipe and my question is - should I go ahead with the boil and see what happens? If it is crap so far I've only wasted 30 bucks of grain. If I go with my hop additions then I waste another 20 bucks of hops and if I ferment it and it turns to poop well then I only waste another 4 bucks cause I'm not too keen to crack a Wyeast just in case.

Anyway - hat do you reckon? Bring it to the boil and judge from there or just go for broke and see what happens?
 
I'd at least boil it. Sounds like something nasty has hit it but if the flavour is so far ok and you're happy with any extra effort and expense then why not see?

At least you'll know for next time.

If you're in that situation again make sure you mash out (high 70s) and put the wort in a no chill cube until the boil. Not ideal but the best way of protecting the wort (and something I've done that worked ok for me).
 
Have a crack but if you were planning on making a fairly bitter pilsner then I'd suggest maybe cutting back the BU's a bit to balance out all the sourness you've generated over the last 24 hours.
 
Definately go for it. I've considered doing this myself (cubing it also) would love to know how it turns out keep us posted.
 
It's only a 37.6 IBU Pilsner which I use a combination of B Saaz, D Saaz and Amarillo - normally it is vibrant and fruity but something tells me this time I might not quite have those same characteristics.

79.8 degrees and either the funk is starting to fade or I am getting used to it =)
 
Hey argon, I'm in upper mount gravatt so keep your nose out the window and if you smell something not quite right I think that will answer your question - don't try this at home! =)
 
Keep the sour mash going and make something else from it instead of beer!
 
10 mins left in the boil and it doesn't actually smell all that bad. I decided that since it was most likely going to end up a beer I feed to mates that drink too much of my good stuff I couldn't be assed measuring any hops so I've just been grabbing a handful of each at random times. Man I'll be pissed off it I crack a winner and don't have any idea what and how much went when - ah well. Oh and it still has a slight sour aroma so I am going to give it a good whack of B Saaz right on the 5 min to try to knock some of that back. Or is it D Saaz... I have no idea cause I decided to turn the lights off and really wing it...
 
do you like sour beer. if it has a bit of lactic sourness and isnt complety gone maybe a biit of brett or some roselare or similiar could turn it into a good beer.after all the yanks are using all sorts of hops in there sours these days.
 
In The Complete Joy of Home Brewing by Papazian, he mentions using a method similar to what you describe to aid in the production of sour beers like lambic.

So your beer may not be gone, but it probably won't be your average pilsner.

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EK
 
i just bottled a beer that was produced from wort that had 3 days between sparge and boil ( not mine...i acquired it..) real sour tang..and heaps of foam in the boil....
Boild it to og of 1.080...
2 packs of safale...
22 degrees
14 days...
fg 1.010
Bit sour..but a big beer
We'll see how she ages....

only cost me some time and 2 packs of yeast...
 
Congratulations you're on your way to produce somthing similar to:

17D. Straight (Unblended) Lambic
Aroma: A decidedly sour/acidic aroma is often dominant in young examples, but may be more subdued with age as it blends with aromas described as barnyard, earthy, goaty, hay, horsey, and horse blanket. A mild oak and/or citrus aroma is considered favorable. An enteric, smoky, cigar-like, or cheesy aroma is unfavorable. Older versions are commonly fruity with aromas of apples or even honey. No hop aroma. No diacetyl.

Appearance: Pale yellow to deep golden in color. Age tends to darken the beer. Clarity is hazy to good. Younger versions are often cloudy, while older ones are generally clear. Head retention is generally poor. Head color is white.
Flavor: Young examples are often noticeably sour and/or lactic, but aging can bring this character more in balance with the malt, wheat and barnyard characteristics. Fruity flavors are simpler in young lambics and more complex in the older examples, where they are reminiscent of apples or other light fruits, rhubarb, or honey. Some oak or citrus flavor (often grapefruit) is occasionally noticeable. An enteric, smoky or cigar-like character is undesirable. Hop bitterness is low to none. No hop flavor. No diacetyl.

Mouthfeel: Light to medium-light body. In spite of the low finishing gravity, the many mouth-filling flavors prevent the beer from tasting like water. As a rule of thumb lambic dries with age, which makes dryness a reasonable indicator of age. Has a medium to high tart, puckering quality without being sharply astringent. Virtually to completely uncarbonated.
Overall Impression: Complex, sour/acidic, pale, wheat-based ale fermented by a variety of Belgian microbiota.

History: Spontaneously fermented sour ales from the area in and around Brussels (the Senne Valley) stem from a farmhouse brewing tradition several centuries old. Their numbers are constantly dwindling.
Comments: Straight lambics are single-batch, unblended beers. Since they are unblended, the straight lambic is often a true product of the house character of a brewery and will be more variable than a gueuze. They are generally served young (6 months) and on tap as cheap, easy-drinking beers without any filling carbonation. Younger versions tend to be one-dimensionally sour since a complex Brett character often takes upwards of a year to develop. An enteric character is often indicative of a lambic that is too young. A noticeable vinegary or cidery character is considered a fault by Belgian brewers. Since the wild yeast and bacteria will ferment ALL sugars, they are bottled only when they have completely fermented. Lambic is served uncarbonated, while gueuze is served effervescent. IBUs are approximate since aged hops are used; Belgians use hops for anti-bacterial properties more than bittering in lambics.

Ingredients: Unmalted wheat (30-40%), Pilsner malt and aged (surannes) hops (3 years) are used. The aged hops are used more for preservative effects than bitterness, and makes actual bitterness levels difficult to estimate. Traditionally these beers are spontaneously fermented with naturally-occurring yeast and bacteria in predominately oaken barrels. Home-brewed and craft-brewed versions are more typically made with pure cultures of yeast commonly including Saccharomyces, Brettanomyces, Pediococcus and Lactobacillus in an attempt to recreate the effects of the dominant microbiota of Brussels and the surrounding countryside of the Senne River valley. Cultures taken from bottles are sometimes used but there is no simple way of knowing what organisms are still viable.

Vital Statistics: OG: 1.040 1.054
IBUs: 0 10 FG: 1.001 1.010
SRM: 3 7 ABV: 5 6.5%

Commercial Examples: The only bottled version readily available is Cantillon Grand Cru Bruocsella of whatever single batch vintage the brewer deems worthy to bottle. De Cam sometimes bottles their very old (5 years) lambic. In and around Brussels there are specialty cafes that often have draught lambics from traditional brewers or blenders such as Boon, De Cam, Cantillon, Drie Fonteinen, Lindemans, Timmermans and Girardin.
 
do you like sour beer. if it has a bit of lactic sourness and isnt complety gone maybe a biit of brett or some roselare or similiar could turn it into a good beer.after all the yanks are using all sorts of hops in there sours these days.

Americans seem to throw any and every combination together and call it a revolution.
 
Well guys I decided to give it a couple of weeks in the fermentor and see how it turned out - due to lack of fridge space and a need to get some serious brewing done I've pulled her out, filtered and carbed and am giving it a crack right now. There is virtually no trace flavours of my cock up and in fact it has come out very clean and crisp with awesome fruit notes (from the B and D Saaz). Very happy I wasn't tipping it down the drain this afternoon!
 
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