100 liter + Brewery ideas

[Robbo2234]

Hi All,

got the green light and going to get into some of those 150 liter stainless pots, I am thinking biab at the moment.


if you could re build you set up what would you do?

 

[Cocko]

Budget?

 

[Robbo2234]

No budget really. But not braumeister price. The missues said "Ok But don't go crazy on it"

 

[stakka82]

You'll need a hoist if you're going to do BIAB at that size.

And a fairly beefy burner.

 

[Robbo2234]

qldkev uses 2 bags so might start with that.
What I worried about is ramp times and maintain boil. electricity or gas? had

 

[fcmcg]

Still love brewing on my 100 litre HERMS....
Would i change it ? No...
It is easier to BIAB with a young family , as the time needed is less....but if there is a will , and there is a will , there is a way, to use the big brewery !

 

[Robbo2234]

any pics Ferg?

 

[Online Brewing Supplies]

HERM-IT its simple and its effective and allows great control.
Nev

 

[TheWiggman]

I would have (assuming you're doing recirc) -

• Spent the extra dosh on a good pump
• Commit to a HERMS coil straight up
• Bought a refractometer
• Bought a decent heating element if you're going electric. Don't buy the Keg King ones unless you like hassles.

 

[Smokomark]

HERM-IT its simple and its effective and allows great control.
Nev

For a 100lt setup you need 2x2400 or 2x2200 watt elements for your herms. You can't go wrong with gryphon brewings hermit coil. It's friggin awesome, and as an added bonus it's a bit of stainless bling.

Mark

 

[TheWiggman]

For a 100lt setup you need 2x2400 or 2x2200 watt elements for your herms. You can't go wrong with gryphon brewings hermit coil. It's friggin awesome, and as an added bonus it's a bit of stainless bling.

Mark

Are you suggesting 2 x coils? I'm not sure if adding extra elements with a single coil would be beneficial. Unless you do something like QldKev with an additional element inside the pot and a probe measuring almost directly off it. You're right though that a single kettle element will struggle to ramp effectively.
As for the HERM-IT coil, I can't recommend it enough. Spend the $180 up front on the kit, spend about $40 on pipes and a cheapo kettle, and you won't look back. If you try to make it out of copper tube I can almost guarantee you'll spend that much or more unless you want to go brass fittings.

 

[Yob]

any pics Ferg?

Have a look towards the end of the brew rigs thread

ed: >HERE<

 

[Fents]

Have a look towards the end of the brew rigs thread

ed: >HERE<

Looks familar still love it like she was my first.

 

[Online Brewing Supplies]

Are you suggesting 2 x coils? I'm not sure if adding extra elements with a single coil would be beneficial. Unless you do something like QldKev with an additional element inside the pot and a probe measuring almost directly off it. You're right though that a single kettle element will struggle to ramp effectively.
As for the HERM-IT coil, I can't recommend it enough. Spend the $180 up front on the kit, spend about $40 on pipes and a cheapo kettle, and you won't look back. If you try to make it out of copper tube I can almost guarantee you'll spend that much or more unless you want to go brass fittings.

I think and am in the process to proving that the single coil is sufficient if you beef up the Kw.
Looking at the process you will find that you can only go so fast on the recirc before you get into stuck sparge situations, hence the reason I suggest getting the best false bottom set up.
If the HX is at its smallest possible volume then increasing the element Kw is going to give you the advantage you need.
So far I have trialed the HX with a standard kettle element (1.8-2KW) on a 100L brew and it will maintain the mash temp but any step up is a very.... slow process.
My next HX is the same volume but with a 3KW element, I will post updated in the HERM-IT HX build thread when I have tested.
Nev

 

[adryargument]

Are you suggesting 2 x coils? I'm not sure if adding extra elements with a single coil would be beneficial. Unless you do something like QldKev with an additional element inside the pot and a probe measuring almost directly off it. You're right though that a single kettle element will struggle to ramp effectively.
As for the HERM-IT coil, I can't recommend it enough. Spend the $180 up front on the kit, spend about $40 on pipes and a cheapo kettle, and you won't look back. If you try to make it out of copper tube I can almost guarantee you'll spend that much or more unless you want to go brass fittings.

I use one coil with two 10a kettle (2200??) elements. Both are under the coil. (45L mashtun full to the brim, thick mash, large sparge with a final 60L batch)

The water starts to simmer / steam and looks like its reabsorbed by the time it reaches the top. Ramp times improved alot. The only issue is that your recirculation must remain at a steady flow to leech enough heat, without boilking the water away.

Edit: One element is sufficient to be PID controlled to maintain temp. The second runs off another power grid and is manually turned on to help ramp. I have only used it twice But i think i counted around 0.1 temp rise every 4 seconds when i had decent flow.

 

[Online Brewing Supplies]

I use one coil with two 10a kettle (2200??) elements. Both are under the coil. (45L mashtun full to the brim, thick mash, large sparge with a final 60L batch)

The water starts to simmer / steam and looks like its reabsorbed by the time it reaches the top. Ramp times improved alot. The only issue is that your recirculation must remain at a steady flow to leech enough heat, without boilking the water away.

Edit: One element is sufficient to be PID controlled to maintain temp. The second runs off another power grid and is manually turned on to help ramp. I have only used it twice But i think i counted around 0.1 temp rise every 4 seconds when i had decent flow.

Is that in a PVC HX , if so does it get soft ?
Another reason I am having the stainless HX's made up.
Nev

 

[adryargument]

Is that in a PVC HX , if so does it get soft ?
Another reason I am having the stainless HX's made up.
Nev

No, its an old school style one shot camping gas bottle. The kind which have a small stand at the bottom, oval ends with about 25cm of straight cylinder..
I would estimate its about 14cm in diameter and 30cm tall.
I rebated the bottom in about 25mm and welded in 3mm steel sheet to attach the 2 elements. Coated in high temp silicon paint and seems to work well.

I was going to weld it to the stand to always be upright with a drain valve. More important things to do, it sits on a traffic cone with the top cut off

 

[Online Brewing Supplies]

No, its an old school style one shot camping gas bottle. The kind which have a small stand at the bottom, oval ends with about 25cm of straight cylinder..
I would estimate its about 14cm in diameter and 30cm tall.
I rebated the bottom in about 25mm and welded in 3mm steel sheet to attach the 2 elements. Coated in high temp silicon paint and seems to work well.

I was going to weld it to the stand to always be upright with a drain valve. More important things to do, it sits on a traffic cone with the top cut off

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What cant you do with a traffic cone ? :lol:

 

[sponge]

Use it as a loudhai....



Wear it as a ha....



Skip arou.....



Pretend to have a large peni....




Well played Nev, well played...

 

[MastersBrewery]

I seem to recall someone posting a hermit with 2 x 2400w elements and getting fantastic ramp rates, should be in one of the hermit threads