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I'm just about to bottle my first attempt at a czech pils as well. If mine is anything to go by yours will be outstanding. I used; morgans golden saaz pilsner 1.5kg coopers pale malt 15g saaz @ 20 15g dry hopped wyeast 2278 czech pils (i agree 100% on the liquid yeast, mark from MHB said the...

What yeast did you use? I tried a Coopers Lager toucan with US-05 and after a month I found the isohop bitterness very harsh. Settled down with time but I think using S-04 or nottingham would be a better bet.

I'd be interested in the hops. How much do you have of each?

Was thinking of putting the following down 1 can Morgans Golden Saaz Pilsner I can Morgans Unhopped Extra Pale malt 25g Saaz at 20 minutes 12g Saaz dry hopped My question is will the 25g at 20 minutes be too much and make the brew too bitter?

Thanks everyone. Took another reading last night and hadn't moved, still 1013. The sample was 16C and the hydrometer is calibrated for 20C so with the correction its close enough to the 1012 I was after. Added gealtine last night and will bottle on Sunday after crash chilling.

Was the australian draught. Looks like1013 is pretty much all I'm going to get

Without knowing what's actually in a E.S.B 3kg kit, does anyone know what the FG should be? Mine is at 1013 after 10 days, does this sound about right?

Is it any good? The packet is quite mysterious and gives little away.

Thanks everyone! So, the consensus is that a) I'm not going to ruin everything by adding gelatine before fermentation has finished and B) its a worthwhile exercise

OK cool thanks for the advice. How effective is gelatine anyway? I usually just leave my brews in primary for ~14 days with the last 2-3 pretty cold at about 2 degrees. Will I see much difference with the gelatine?

Just a thought I had about using gelatine to fine (I've never done it before). If I add it when racking to secondary after about a week in primary, will it stop any secondary fermentation, or will there be enough yeast in suspension after the fining to finish up? Thanks

Got a fermentation fridge so temp isn't an issue. Have only brewed ales so far though, down to about 16C with US05. Was thinking 500g LDME and 750g Dex + Saaz steeped. HEard that the S189 yeast could be a better bet than S23?

Looking to do a pilsner kit with some extra saaz for my next brew. Have been looking at the following kits Morgans Golden Saaz Pilsener Muntons Export Pilsner Wal's Pilsner Thomas Coopers Pilsner Anyone done one of these kits and how'd it turn out?

Recipe was just the two tins of coopers original lager and the us-05 yeast. I'm not very good at describing flavours but its a really harsh bitterness, almost acidic.

Did a toucan of coopers lager with us-05. Tastes disgusting after 4 weeks, I think it might be infected.

Feeling a lot better now. After a bit more reading it seems a few people get this on the odd occasion without it being an infection. Theory that it is a. hop oil or b. surfectant in the starsan.

Yeah thats what I was thinking too. Soaked them in sodium percarbonate for a week, rinsed them out with the hose then put them in the dishwasher. Just before bottling put some starsan in and then tipped it out. No rinsing afterwards No white spots or slime so maybe it is just something left...

Just cracked one open. No gushing and it smells like beer to me. Had a taste and it has a fairly "harsh" bitterness, but I think thats just cause the toucan would be pretty bitter anyway. If it was infected what would it smell like? Off milk? Varnish? Or something else?

Just having a look at a toucan of coopers lager I put down 4 weeks ago. Tasted OK when I was bottling it but it seems to have an oily scum on the surface of the beer in the bottle. Its sort of hard to see in the picture but is it normal?

I bought the same set (1kg max 0.1g increment) off dealextreme.com for $16 They sent me the wrong one though, 100g max 0.01g increment. Still does the job though.