Vienna Lager Recipe Required

[AndrewQLD]

Seeking some advice, I have run out of pilsner and ale malt but I have 25 kilos of vienna malt (and 25kilos Munich malt) and I would like to brew a Vienna Lager, has anyone a tried and tru recipe for this style.
I have White labs german lager yeast or budvar 2000 yeast. Saaz, hallertau, tettnang hops. I would really like to brew an all vienna malt lager, but never having tried this malt before I am not sure what to expect so comments would be appreciated.

Cheers
Andrew

 

[Jazzafish]

check out the links section...

Award winning recipes may be a good start... there are also links to pro mash recipe archives to download

 

[AndrewQLD]

Already been there jazzafish, but thanks for the reply . I am more interested in some feed back on the use of all vienna malt in a recipe and maybe some ideas in regards to the ingredients I already have.

cheers
Andrew

 

[n00ch]

I have 1 that i brewed a few months back but not on this computer, if you get no other recipes i can post it tomorrow. It is a good beer that i am drinking as i type. I think the german lager yeast would do the trick nicely.

 

[Duff]

G'day Andrew,

I made one yesterday, I know you don't have any Pils but I think all Vienna with a touch of Munich would be a great beer. Here's my receipe, maybe you could sub Vienna for my Pils addition.

Cheers.


06-04 Vienna Lager

A ProMash Recipe Report

BJCP Style and Style Guidelines
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03-A European Amber Lager, Vienna Lager

Min OG: 1.046 Max OG: 1.052
Min IBU: 18 Max IBU: 30
Min Clr: 10 Max Clr: 16 Color in SRM, Lovibond

Recipe Specifics
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Batch Size (L): 20.00 Wort Size (L): 20.00
Total Grain (kg): 4.45
Anticipated OG: 1.052 Plato: 12.95
Anticipated SRM: 5.7
Anticipated IBU: 31.7
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75 %
Wort Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Formulas Used
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Brewhouse Efficiency and Predicted Gravity based on Method #1, Potential Used.
Final Gravity Calculation Based on Points.
Hard Value of Sucrose applied. Value for recipe: 46.2100 ppppg
% Yield Type used in Gravity Prediction: Fine Grind Dry Basis.

Color Formula Used: Morey
Hop IBU Formula Used: Rager

Additional Utilization Used For Plug Hops: 2 %
Additional Utilization Used For Pellet Hops: 10 %


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
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44.9 2.00 kg. Hoepfner Vienna Germany 1.038 3
39.3 1.75 kg. JWM Export Pilsner Australia 1.037 2
15.7 0.70 kg. JWM Light Munich Australia 1.038 10

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
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25.00 g. Perle Pellet 6.70 27.2 60 min.
20.00 g. Hallertauer Pellet 5.20 4.5 15 min.


Yeast
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White Labs WLP802 Czech Budejovice Lager

 

[AndrewQLD]

Your recipe looks good Duff, subbing the pilsner for vienna is good what about the perle would tettnang be a good sub or maybe just go all hallertau? I would be interested to see what this beer finishes at keep me posted and thanks for the recipe.

Nooch, of course I would like to see your recipe and maybe while your sipping it a couple of tasting notes as well .
Thanks Guys

Cheers
Andrew

 

[wessmith]

AndrewQld, what make of Vienna malt do you have?

Wes

 

[Duff]

Your recipe looks good Duff, subbing the pilsner for vienna is good what about the perle would tettnang be a good sub or maybe just go all hallertau? I would be interested to see what this beer finishes at keep me posted and thanks for the recipe.

Nooch, of course I would like to see your recipe and maybe while your sipping it a couple of tasting notes as well .
Thanks Guys

Cheers
Andrew

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Personally Andrew I find Tettnanger to have a very 'distinct' flavour so in one of my beers I would not use it as a bittering hop. If using I would be inclined to bitter with Hallertau and flavour with Tettnanger, or bitter with Hallertau and flavour with Saaz, or go all Hallertau or all Saaz. Ray Daniels recommends either of the three you have in his VMO chapter.

I'll send you a bottle when it's ready.

Cheers.

 

[n00ch]

Ok well i have found a print out of the brew sheet for the Vienna Lager I did.

Here it is:

3.9kg Vienna
1.5kg Munich
0.25 Caramunich (but you could drop that if you don't have any and maybe up the munich a tad)

50gm Hallertau @ 60 min
25gm Hallertau @ 30 min

I used the Bavarian Lager but the German Lager yeast you had would do just as well IMHO.

Thanks goes to Gough for help with this one. Its a really easy drinking full bodied beer that i will definately make again.

 

[AndrewQLD]

AndrewQld, what make of Vienna malt do you have?

Wes

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Wes,
wait for it...... it's Powells .

Cheers
Andrew

 

[wessmith]

OK, have not yet brewed with that one. If JW Vienna then 50% max, Bairds 60 to 75% max and Weyermann 100%. Its all to do with the body and flavour fullness. Balance the Vienna with Pils malt.

Wes

 

[pint of lager]

One of my favourite styles to brew.

Tetnanger goes well in it, have brewed a few versions with tetnanger for bitter, flavour and aroma. European tetnanger.

Check out this thread. Vienna lager topic.

I think, without a good proportion of pilsner, you are going to end up with an Oktoberfest style, rather than Vienna lager.

An all Vienna grainbill will be a nice drop, but not to style as a true Vienna lager.

Therse styles do not need a crystal style grain, let the base grains shine through.

 

[AndrewQLD]

Thanks for the responces everyone n00ch I like the look of your recipe too. I'm with you POL I like tettnang so might bitter with hallertau and flavour with tettnang.
Wes I would really like to test this vienna malt so may go all vienna for the hell of it
I will formulate the recipe and post for your critique

 

[AndrewQLD]

Ok, I finally did the Vienna lager on the weekend, I chickened out of an all vienna malt brew and went with a promash recipe that is supposed to have won some awards, and of course I had to modify it slightly . Thanks everyone for their comments you were a great help.
Here is what I ended up with. The brew day went very well and my efficiency was good, read 75% for all powels malt :lol: . Only problem I had, my immersion heater blew up right at the end of the temp raise to sacch temp.
Cheers
Andrew

Recipe Specifics
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Batch Size (L): 23.00 Wort Size (L): 23.00
Total Grain (Kg): 5.76
Anticipated OG: 1.054 Plato: 13.36
Anticipated EBC: 21.6
Anticipated IBU: 20.0
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70 %
Wort Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Actual OG: 1.056 Plato: 13.80
Actual FG: 1.012 Plato: 3.07

Actual Mash System Efficiency: 75 %
Anticipated Points From Mash: 54.12
Actual Points From Mash: 58.11


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential EBC
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61.4 3.54 kg. Vienna Malt Powells Australia 1.037 8
34.7 2.00 kg. Munich Malt Powells Australia 1.037 15
0.4 0.02 kg. Chocolate Malt America 1.029 926
3.5 0.20 kg. Caramalt Powells Australia 1.037 30


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
15.00 g. SAAZB Whole 8.40 12.3 90 min.
10.00 g. Hallertauer Tradition Whole 5.80 4.9 60 min.
10.00 g. Hallertauer Tradition Whole 5.80 2.7 30 min.

Amount Name Type Time
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1.00 Unit(s)Whirlfloc Fining 10 Min.(boil)

Yeast
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Budvar 2000

Mash Schedule
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Mash Type: Multi Step
Heat Type: Direct

Grain kg: 5.76
Water Qts: 18.30 - Before Additional Infusions
Water L: 17.32 - Before Additional Infusions

L Water Per kg Grain: 3.00 - Before Additional Infusions

Tun Thermal Mass: 0.12
Grain Temp: 26 C

Dough In Temp: 62 Time: 0
Acid Rest Temp: 0 Time: 0
Protein Rest Temp: 57 Time: 30
Intermediate Rest Temp: 0 Time: 0
Saccharification Rest Temp: 67 Time: 90
Mash-out Rest Temp: 76 Time: 15
Sparge Temp: 0 Time: 0

Runnings Stopped At: 1.010 SG 2.56 Plato


Total Mash Volume L: 21.17 - After Additional Infusions