Vicbrew '08 Results

[RussTaylor]

Correct scores are accumaltive accross 3 judges, so are out fo 150.

I did notice that a lot of the categories they could only get 2 judges, so they would have worked out the 150 on the basis of just 2 score sheets in this case.

How do you calculate it out of 150 if there's only two judges? Anyone know the pros and cons between adding up the scores and using an average?

 

[Beer Krout]

How do you calculate it out of 150 if there's only two judges? Anyone know the pros and cons between adding up the scores and using an average?

My guess would be to add the two scores up and multiply by 1.5.

On the question of 2 judges v 3 judges.
The pros for two judges are:
One judges personal biases have more influence on your score.
And the cons for two judges are:
One judges personal biases have more influence on your score.

The more judges the more personal biases get evened out.
Also of note.
All judges scores have to be within a 7 points spread of each other for each beer, anyway.

BK

 

[Beer Krout]

Congrats to All the Winners except my b*st*rd mate who took out the Dark Ales with a southern brown.

I only managed equal 6th, but top of the gordie brown's.

Best of three mate, we'll enter 'em in the Beerfest 2009 in February.

 

[haysie]

Shattered
Beaten in a playoff :lol: equal 3rd Dark Ale, countback lost.

Absolutely chuffed, entered 4 beers, 2 I thought were very good, the other 2 good.
The results justified my thinking, 4th , 7th, ummm 15th, umm 19th.
This was my first comp entries.

Thanks to the judges, stewards, committee, vicbrew, brewers and everyone else whom makes this happen. I can only see myself getting more and more involved.

 

[chris.taylor.98]

Shattered
Beaten in a playoff :lol: equal 3rd Dark Ale, countback lost.

Absolutely chuffed, entered 4 beers, 2 I thought were very good, the other 2 good.
The results justified my thinking, 4th , 7th, ummm 15th, umm 19th.
This was my first comp entries.

Thanks to the judges, stewards, committee, vicbrew, brewers and everyone else whom makes this happen. I can only see myself getting more and more involved.

Well done Haysie

... another one turned to the dark side

There's no turning back now , next thing you will be trying to "brew to style" god forbid and doing other unnatural acts ...

Now I know I harp on about this, but if you really want to get a good understanding of how to compete etc, there is no better way then actually putting up you hand for judging and/or stewarding at the comps, and they are always in need of a helping hand.

 

[Kleiny]

First comp

4th Munich Helles
5th APA
7th Weizen
13th Porter

and a couple not worth a mention

Does anybody know if we get the judgeing sheets sent to us or if we have access to them, as i wont to know how or where my beers can be improved or where they fall down?

 

[haysie]

First comp

4th Munich Helles
5th APA
7th Weizen
13th Porter

and a couple not worth a mention

Does anybody know if we get the judgeing sheets sent to us or if we have access to them, as i wont to know how or where my beers can be improved or where they fall down?

onya kleiny, they get sent out. see em soon

 

[Kleiny]

awesome

it was pretty much the reason why i entered

so as i could get some good constructive feedback

thanks haysie

 

[Maple]

Has anyone received their score sheets yet? I'm pretty keen to see the breakdown and put the feedback to good use. I know as soon as I post this the mailperson will drop it into the letterbox...

 

[bouncingcastle]

Has anyone received their score sheets yet? I'm pretty keen to see the breakdown and put the feedback to good use. I know as soon as I post this the mailperson will drop it into the letterbox...

Not yet for me... I'm hoping to get the notes by the weekend so i can improve my next brew

 

[BrenosBrews]

Has anyone received their score sheets yet? I'm pretty keen to see the breakdown and put the feedback to good use. I know as soon as I post this the mailperson will drop it into the letterbox...

None for me either at this stage.

No brewing for me this weekend as I'll be at ANHC but I only have ONE bottle of my entered beer left and really want to drink it while reading the feedback, don't know how long it's going to last though as my latest batch still needs another week or so before it's ready to drink.

How long does it take to put something in the mail anyway?

 

[Maple]

I have just found out the score sheets will be sent out next week. The organizers are flat out with AABC and the ANHC, but are making every effort to get these out as soon as possible. Just thought I'd pass on this update (that most of you will get via email anyway)

Maple

 

[fraser_john]

Scoresheets arrived in my mail box today, cannot wait to get home now!

 

[Wardhog]

Got my scoresheets, it appears that the judges liked the way it looked, but thought there was an acetone flavour in the beer. After a search for "acetone" on this site revealed nothing, I'll throw this question out there. I'm not familiar with this beer fault.

Given I've been told that an acetone flavour was present in my beer (it can't have been too bad, 91/150), what is the nature of this problem? The judges' notes say to "look at the fermentation process", but no more than that. What went wrong, and what can I do to fix this problem in future brews?

Yeast used was S189 @12C for 2 weeks (1.041 - 1.012), lagered 2 weeks at 4C. 5/5 from both score sheets I received on how the beer looked.

Could it be because I dumped the yeast straight from the packet into the wort without rehydrating first?

Edit : I'll double check when I get home, but I'm pretty sure it was acetone. Maybe they meant acetobacter?

 

[Fents]

you sure they wrote acetone?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone

maybe they meant autolysis?

i've searched for you too and can up with jack and now i wanna know too. good luck mate, someone here will know.

 

[geoffd]

I think you would be best asking the judge in question to explain what he meant, he may have chosen the wrong word to describe what he has perceived. It's a learning process for the judges too, so feedback is just as helpful to them as it is to you.

its a bit like someone saying it tastes like ****, but you'ld have to eat **** to know that, wouldn't you. My best guess is he meant solventy, but as i said, i would go to the source

 

[shonky]

Hi acetone is the nail varnish smell - it indicates higher or 'hot' alcohols are present. It can be caused by too high fermetation temps (obviously not in your case). Perhaps it could have been caused by yeast stress :unsure: perhaps rehydrate next time. What temp did you pitch the yeast at and what sort of temp control did you have to bring it down?

Hope this helps

 

[THE DRUNK ARAB]

Got my scoresheets, it appears that the judges liked the way it looked, but thought there was an acetone flavour in the beer. After a search for "acetone" on this site revealed nothing, I'll throw this question out there. I'm not familiar with this beer fault.

Given I've been told that an acetone flavour was present in my beer (it can't have been too bad, 91/150), what is the nature of this problem? The judges' notes say to "look at the fermentation process", but no more than that. What went wrong, and what can I do to fix this problem in future brews?

Yeast used was S189 @12C for 2 weeks (1.041 - 1.012), lagered 2 weeks at 4C. 5/5 from both score sheets I received on how the beer looked.

Could it be because I dumped the yeast straight from the packet into the wort without rehydrating first?

Edit : I'll double check when I get home, but I'm pretty sure it was acetone. Maybe they meant acetobacter?

This is a guess without knowing what the judges have written but a solvent like flavour could be perceived as acetone.
Generally cause could be that at some stage your fermenting temperature got a little too high, did you do a diacetyl rest at higher than ferment temps?
Bit of a stab in the dark really Wardhog, just trying to add a possibility.

C&B
TDA

 

[bouncingcastle]

Got my results last night.

I entered my first ag in, it didn't fit any of the styles - so I just picked american pale ale.

Happy to say the least (they said exactly what I wanted them to say)... "good beer in it's own right, completely not to style"

Body was good, clarity was good, flavour was balanced (although all out of style). No fermentation faults, no infections

I'll drink to that

Next comp, I will actually brew one to style and see how I go

 

[Wardhog]

Hi acetone is the nail varnish smell - it indicates higher or 'hot' alcohols are present. It can be caused by too high fermetation temps (obviously not in your case). Perhaps it could have been caused by yeast stress :unsure: perhaps rehydrate next time. What temp did you pitch the yeast at and what sort of temp control did you have to bring it down?

Hope this helps

Actually, this makes sense. I didn't have a fermentation fridge, only a heat pad, a fridgemate, a blanket, and the ambient temperatures in my shed in June. I'm only really controlling the lower bounds of temperature, i.e. only making sure it doesn't get too cold. I didn't think too hot was a possibility given the conditions.

I'm having a hard time imagining the beer deviating too much from winter ambient temps in outer Melbourne (10-14C max), but it's possible, I suppose.

Does anyone know what "too hot" is in the case of S189?

Edit : TDA, good point. I did crank the fridgemate up to 18C for 2 days when SG < 1.018. Too early, do you think?