Sanity Check On Ipa

[Diggles]

Would anyone like to give me a sanity check on the recipe below for an IPA. I've intentionally held back on the hops as I think the IPA LME will also add a bit of hops. Any guidance would be greatly apprecited :huh:

1.75kg Coopers IPA LME
0.750kg Crystal Malt
0.7kg LDME
0.3kg Dextrose
0.1 Corn Sugar

45g Columbus 40min
35 Palisades 30 min
10g Goldings 5 mins

Coopers Ale dry yeast (came with can)

Hops ingredients used are what I've got in the cupboard and looking to use it up!!

 

[keifer33]

Wanna throw up the AA% of the hops.

 

[MHB]

I think the IPA Kit is the best one in the whole Coopers range and the last one I would screw around with, it's already chock full of Stryian Golding.
Just the 0.7 Kg of LDME and 0.3 Kg of Dex will be great. Save the hops for a kit that's fairly under hoped, not this one.

MHB

FYI - Dextrose = Corn Sugar = Dextrose = Corn Sugar...
I'm sure you meant Corn Syrup, called Maltodextrin in civilised countries.

M

 

[Diggles]

Wanna throw up the AA% of the hops.

Columbus 14.2 AA
Palisades 7.3 AA
Goldings 10 AA
hope this helps, also batch volume is 20L

 

[bum]

I would knock the Crystal back to a maximum of 400g and up the LDME to 2 kg you will need to buy some more.

If the Columbus is for bittering go for 60 minutes minimum if you are after a good IPA. The Pale Ale can is not very bitter on its own.

That is what I would do but I love an IPA but have not perfected the brew so far, always been light on bitterness. :beerbang:

I suspect the tin he is using is the IPA tin. The reason I suspect that is because he said it was so.

The IPA tin is pretty bitter as far as tins go but do require a bit of help to get up to the IBU for style. Perhaps some kind soul could run the numbers for you?

A more pressing issue I see is that this tin is pretty English IPA in bent I dunno how well your US hops will sit in there. Perhaps go really late with them so they dominate rather than get all muddled in the background? This might be terrible advice - I've only used Fuggles with this tin (to good effect). The Goldings should work well but possibly not with my suggestion of going late with the US hops.

T_B is right about the crystal. That looks like a hell of a lot to me.

And your corn sugar and dextrose are the same thing.

 

[Diggles]

I think the IPA Kit is the best one in the whole Coopers range and the last one I would screw around with, it's already chock full of Stryian Golding.
Just the 0.7 Kg of LDME and 0.3 Kg of Dex will be great. Save the hops for a kit that's fairly under hoped, not this one.

MHB

FYI - Dextrose = Corn Sugar = Dextrose = Corn Sugar...
I'm sure you meant Corn Syrup, called Maltodextrin in civilised countries.

M

Bugger, I checked it before posting too!! :lol:

 

[Diggles]

I suspect the tin he is using is the IPA tin. The reason I suspect that is because he said it was so.

The IPA tin is pretty bitter as far as tins go but do require a bit of help to get up to the IBU for style. Perhaps some kind soul could run the numbers for you?

A more pressing issue I see is that this tin is pretty English IPA in bent I dunno how well your US hops will sit in there. Perhaps go really late with them so they dominate rather than get all muddled in the background? This might be terrible advice - I've only used Fuggles with this tin (to good effect). The Goldings should work well but possibly not with my suggestion of going late with the US hops.

T_B is right about the crystal. That looks like a hell of a lot to me.

And your corn sugar and dextrose are the same thing.

The calculator I've used is the one at the link below, never used it before or any other for that matter, so feeling my way around, hence the post at AHB. Which calculator do you use? I find some of them complex and aim toward all grain....I'm not there yet!!

http://beercalculus.hopville.com/recipe

 

[keifer33]

Just calced on the hops and with all the stuff comes to around 125 IBU if thats even possible.

Id go with

IPA Can
0.7 kg of LDME
0.4 kg of Crystal
0.4 kg of Dextrose
10g Goldings @ Dry hop (More if you have it)

[EDIT]

This spreadsheet works well for kit/extracts - http://www.aussiehomebrewer.com/forum/inde...mp;#entry644029

 

[manticle]

Would anyone like to give me a sanity check on the recipe below for an IPA. I've intentionally held back on the hops as I think the IPA LME will also add a bit of hops. Any guidance would be greatly apprecited :huh:

1.75kg Coopers IPA LME
0.750kg Crystal Malt
0.7kg LDME
0.3kg Dextrose
0.1 Corn Sugar

45g Columbus 40min
35 Palisades 30 min
10g Goldings 5 mins

Coopers Ale dry yeast (came with can)

Hops ingredients used are what I've got in the cupboard and looking to use it up!!

As has been mentioned - crystal could probably be dropped a couple of hundred grams and a hopped can with that amount of hops is probably over the top. A decent crystal addition will probably negate the need to add any maltodextrin (and the hop oils for the hop additions add another nail in the coffin of maltodex). The maltodex will add to creamy mouthfeel and head retention but you have DME and loads of hops in there so I don't know if you need it.

Drop the hops, keep them in style (UK or styrian) and you'll be on target (pun not intended but still amusing to me).

Last thing - 7g of yeast for a big beer in my opinion is not enough. I would try Safale 04 if you can find it easily enough.


Also consider dry hopping if you really want an IPA.

Finally - while style is not the be all and end all of things - read up on IPA and its origins and compare with apa and aipa.

 

[Diggles]

Just calced on the hops and with all the stuff comes to around 125 IBU if thats even possible.

Id go with

IPA Can
0.7 kg of LDME
0.4 kg of Crystal
0.4 kg of Dextrose
10g Goldings @ Dry hop (More if you have it)

[EDIT]

This spreadsheet works well for kit/extracts - http://www.aussiehomebrewer.com/forum/inde...mp;#entry644029

Thanks, will have a play. The calculator I've been using aims for an IBU of 40, so I suspect there might be something wrong with the one I'm trying to use.

 

[manticle]

Did you include the IBU of the kit in the calculator?

 

[Diggles]

As has been mentioned - crystal could probably be dropped a couple of hundred grams and a hopped can with that amount of hops is probably over the top. A decent crystal addition will probably negate the need to add any maltodextrin (and the hop oils for the hop additions add another nail in the coffin of maltodex). Th emaltodex will add to creamy mouthfeel and head retention and you have DME and loads of hops in there so I don't know if you need it.

Drop the hops, keep them in style (UK or styrian) and you'll be on target (pun not intended but still amusing to me).

Last thing - 7g of yeast for a big beer in my opinion is not enough. I would try Safale 04 if you can find it easily enough.


Also consider dry hopping if you really want an IPA.

Finally - while style is not the be all and end all of things - read up on IPA and its origins and compare with apa and aipa.

No worries, I'll try and source 2 packs of Safale 04, probably have to mail order, cheers.

 

[Diggles]

Did you include the IBU of the kit in the calculator?

There's no IBU rating listed on the can.

 

[manticle]

I have no idea where it is to be found but it will be of major importance in your final calculations.

Have you brewed one as is or according to Coopers recommendations (a bit of malt and a bit of dex) and found it lacking?

 

[glaab]

There's no IBU rating listed on the can.

yes there is, it works out about 40 IBU/ 20l

use formulae
IBU[on can]*1.7kg/23l *0.725=

 

[Hatchy]

Just calced on the hops and with all the stuff comes to around 125 IBU if thats even possible.

Id go with

IPA Can
0.7 kg of LDME
0.4 kg of Crystal
0.4 kg of Dextrose
10g Goldings @ Dry hop (More if you have it)

[EDIT]

This spreadsheet works well for kit/extracts - http://www.aussiehomebrewer.com/forum/inde...mp;#entry644029

The spreadsheet has the coopers cans listed & will give you the IBUs for each can I believe. It's been a while since I used it. I assume the page linked has the most recent version on it. There's been a few updates.

 

[Diggles]

yes there is, it works out about 40 IBU/ 20l

use formulae
IBU[on can]*1.7kg/23l *0.725=

Not sure if you have the same can, mine's the Thomas Coopers Selection and I've just double checked it and still cannot find it!! Where are you looking?

 

[Diggles]

The spreadsheet has the coopers cans listed & will give you the IBUs for each can I believe. It's been a while since I used it. I assume the page linked has the most recent version on it. There's been a few updates.

Mate, you know when you have one of those moments of clarity, like someone turned on the light, well that spreadsheet just gave me one!! Talk about making life one hell of a lot easier. Thanks heaps.

 

[Hatchy]

Don't thank me mate, Ianh made it & someone else linked it. It's pretty handy for extract brewers though, I really should send Ian a bottle of thanks next time I get around to bottling. He may die of thirst waiting for that moment though.

 

[milestron]

i thought i read somewhere that 80 IBU will always be the cap anyway because your tongue can't detect any extra bitterness after that, like that it was the max bitterness