NoChill Man ****s

[siege]

Alcoholic Cirrhosis can shrink testicles and grow man ****s but we all know how to avoid that. Besides, only 20% of long term heavy drinkers actually end up with liver disease.

But I've been reading that even the "safe" HDPE plastics we brewers use for Fermenting and No Chilling have been shown to release estrogen compounds which could land us with man ****s anyway. (+ other boring health side effects)

Apparently 70% of the 30 different manufacturers HDPE plastics which were tested released Estrogen compounds when exposed to alcohol or salt water
The study suggests that when plastics, including HDPE, are "stressed" by microwave, UV light, or boiling water; they might release even more. But it doesn't look like their experiment had enough test plastics to come up with an elegant answer on this front.



So are no chill cubes still a good idea?
Even PVC tubing leeches nasty stuff at high temperatures so that counterflow chiller may not be any safer unless it's stainless?

What do you guys reckon, just stick our heads in the sand?


Yang, C., Yaniger, S., Jorden, V., Klein, D., Bittner, G. (2011) "Most plastic products release estrogenic chemicals: a potential health problem that can be solved", Environmental Healt Perspectives, 119(7) 989-996

 

[Florian]

Just another good excuse to go stainless no chill.

 

[bradsbrew]

And here i was thinking it was the excess beer, tasty food and lack of exercise. Quite happy to blame HDPE though.

 

[Bribie G]

I need a scrotum reduction operation. Might sell my immersion chiller.

 

[QldKev]

I'm more worried about the Botulism

 

[siege]

Just another good excuse to go stainless no chill.

"I have to buy these massive stainless conicals, hon... it's for my health"

 

[Liam_snorkel]

I think he's referring to no-chill in a corny keg

 

[Online Brewing Supplies]

No chillers "show us your tits "
jyo will follow this thread keenly

 

[SmallFry]

No, chill man. ****s!

(Punctuation is everything)

 

[nvs-brews]

I'd be happy to get a nice demijohn,
ive got 5 HDPE 1's... should sell some and get some nice glass

 

[DJ_L3ThAL]

Says when in contact with alcohol, cubes for no chill only store wort?

Yes high temperatures you mention can release stuff but there's no proof as you stated for that component.

I reckon we'll be fine, girls dig man ****s anyway, right?

 

[Weizguy]

So, if I had a no-chill jerry, and I kept it full of Vienna lager wort for say 7 years before fermenting it, would the oestrogenic compounds have sufficiently degraded by then?

 

[siege]

So, if I had a no-chill jerry, and I kept it full of Vienna lager wort for say 7 years before fermenting it, would the oestrogenic compounds have sufficiently degraded by then?

Or would more oestrogenic compounds leech out over a longer time period?
I think I feel some science coming on. Maybe we can get a federal grant to produce all the required wort to test different no chill methods, oestrogen production and degradation. I suspect we would need to produce a lot of wort for a rigorous study design.

 

[Dave70]

Sounds like the old chestnut about hops being oestrogenic. Though I have noticed my skin has become softer and I seem to have a penchant shoes after my last batch of IIPA..

http://stopdrinkingalcohol.com/beer-hops-estrogen/


Now then, whos for nice a gruit ale?

 

[DJ_L3ThAL]

Haha! Nice article! Below last sentence is probably most important in case anyone takes the fear mongering stop drinking website seriously


J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1999 Jun;84(6):2249-52.
Identification of a potent phytoestrogen in hops (Humulus lupulus L.) and beer.
Milligan SR1, Kalita JC, Heyerick A, Rong H, De Cooman L, De Keukeleire D.
Author information
Abstract
The female flowers of the hop plant are used as a preservative and as a flavoring agent in beer. However, a recurring suggestion has been that hops have a powerful estrogenic activity and that beer may also be estrogenic. In this study, sensitive and specific in vitro bioassays for estrogens were used for an activity-guided fractionation of hops via selective solvent extraction and appropriate HPLC separation. We have identified a potent phytoestrogen in hops, 8-prenylnaringenin, which has an activity greater than other established plant estrogens. The estrogenic activity of this compound was reflected in its relative binding affinity to estrogen receptors from rat uteri. The presence of 8-prenylnaringenin in hops may provide an explanation for the accounts of menstrual disturbances in female hop workers. This phytoestrogen can also be detected in beer, but the levels are low and should not pose any cause for concern.

 

[Florian]

I think he's referring to no-chill in a corny keg

Nah, that's sooo beginning of the year. No chill in fancy stainless conical is the way to go.

 

[Mardoo]

I reckon most of us have a lot of other things to blame man-****s on, like beer, gaming and cat videos.

 

[DJ_L3ThAL]

In no particular order!

 

[Eagleburger]

I am caught in a viscious cycle. The more i play with them the bigger they get, so I play with them more.

 

[Grott]

I know my bra size so I'm not worried.