No Rinse! Let It Dry?

[Cocko]

Hello again,

I have just washed a batch of bottles and used no rinse sanatizer for the first time...

Its Proxitane and has a fairly nose burning odour to it!

So Q is; Do I have to let it dry completely so it doesn't flavour my beer or is the liquid that is sitting on the bottles after an hour just water? and I should bottle this bad boy up??

Luckily I have a batch that is going down a treat to help me decide!!

Cheers
Cocko
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[ausdb]

Hello again,

I have just washed a batch of bottles and used no rinse sanatizer for the first time...

Its Proxitane and has a fairly nose burning odour to it!

So Q is; Do I have to let it dry completely so it doesn't flavour my beer or is the liquid that is sitting on the bottles after an hour just water? and I should bottle this bad boy up??

What dilution are you using? neat proxitane is seriously nasty stuff make sure you wear eye protection but at a working dilution of 2-3mls per 1000mls you should hardly be able to smell it. Best thing to do is to drain the bottles on a bottle tree or make up some sort of rack for them.

 

[Cocko]

I went a cap full per litre = 5L

So about 10 ml per ltr of water.....

Yes, yes I wore gloves when mixing - this is some serious shiezen!!

So do I let it dry out completely OR are a few drips/droplets ok?

I have a good rack set up!!

Thanx all.

 

[beersom]

I went a cap full per litre = 5L

So about 10 ml per ltr of water.....

Yes, yes I wore gloves when mixing - this is some serious shiezen!!

So do I let it dry out completely OR are a few drips/droplets ok?

I have a good rack set up!!

Thanx all.

Thats what we use in the brewery, great stuff.
You have used a ratio of 1:100, quite strong for bottle sani IMHO.
It shouldn't taint your beer, it breaks down to o2 and water reasonably well espec when in contact with organic material.
I would use about 1:200 to 1:500 for that purpose.
Like the previus poster said - BE CAREFUL -this stuff will eat your eyes very quickly, it will also bleach your skin and itch like all hell.

 

[brettprevans]

Very happy user of Stansan no rinse sanitiser and it lasts ages. no worries about it burning your skin off either.

A few drops should be ok. I never bothered letting mine dry, I just 'flicked' out the excess and bottled.

 

[Cocko]

Thank you all for the advice!

:icon_cheers:

 

[lokpikn]

I also use star san and went to the chemist and bought a few syringes that where only 10ml big so very easy to measure small amounts. Just dont go in after a big night on the piss or they might think your a junkie.

 

[brettprevans]

I use the syringes that come with kids medicine bottles (ie kids panadol etc). they range from 5ml - 10ml. they are great.

 

[Fingerlickin_B]

Nobody seemed to directly answer the OP's question, which I now share.

Does this stuff REALLY need to dry before the equipment is used?

I used this in some fermenters today, mixed at 5ml per litre. 1:200 if my mathematical skills are any good.

The gear was shaken out, so not really dried, just not full of pools of the stuff.

It left a very noticeable odour, which concerned me...but I threw the batches in anyway...

PZ.

 

[Maheel]

for starsan

i tip out the excess foam and chuck in the no chill when it's all still wet and foamy

i give it a bit of contact time while i get other stuff ready (yeast / clingwrap from the kitchen etc)

then once the cube is drained i tip the leftover starsan bucket into the rinsed cube and store the cube

never had a drama (or infection)

 

[Edak]

To try and keep this on topic, are we talking starsan or peroxitane? Aren't they different?

 

[MaltyHops]

It left a very noticeable odour, which concerned me...but I threw the batches in anyway...

If you're talking about starsan (OP asked about Proxitane), I don't think it has any smell. Diluted properly (I use RO water from a penguin vending machine to dilute), it tastes like weak diluted lemon juice. If you're getting a smell from it, it may be due to something else?



Ed. Oops, looks like you're asking about Proxitane.

 

[Feldon]

Hadn't heard of this stuff. Found the following in the product data sheet. Don't know if it helps much:

Breweries
Since problem yeasts require powerful biocides, Proxitane® has become the sanitiser of choice in many breweries. In the fermentation/ maturation plant, the bright beer tank farms and bottling/packing cellars fully automated clean in place (CIP) systems connected to bulk Proxitane® tanks produce a highly efficient, cost effective sanitising regime with minimal operator involvement. Another distinct advantage is that Proxitane® sanitisation can be performed under a CO2 head, reducing production down time and gas usage.

No rinsing
Proxitane® is an approved sanitising solution which allows for use of Proxitane® on food contact surfaces without rising as long as drainage is available.

Full sheet here: http://www.solvayinterox.com.au/MSDS/Proxitane%20Bulletin%20FA%208.1.0.1.pdf

 

[Fingerlickin_B]

Looks like it doesn't really need to dry then...good

PZ.

 

[Feldon]

Yeah, I think what it means is the small residual amount of Proxitane that clings to a freely draining surface is not a health issue.

Different if you let it puddle in the bottom of vessels, in tubing or in pumps etc.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

I use proxitane and I do use 10mil / litre it neutralises within one hour I am pretty sure the residue that is left is beneficial to the yeast.