Friday 13th - Black IPA

[timmi9191]

Maybe just call it a black ipa

 

[chunckious]

You can't, you'll offend people.

 

[manticle]

Racist

 

[punkin]

Cascadian Dark Ale is the other substitute name for it.

 

[manticle]

People will get upset if you put amarillo in it.

 

[Dan Pratt]

top stuff with a classic forum derailling of a thread about the name of the beer style....... :super:

its a black beer that im making on Friday the 13th and its an IPA...hence black IPA. yep its a cascadian, yep its a stout, yep its a dark ale, yep its a strong ale....my apology for anyone that has not understood the OP, hops and yeast....not what style and name should I class this as???

Thanks Mants for some actual feedback on which yeast and hop combo's, Ive got the dennys fav in the fridge and waiting.

Anyway Im making a black ipa with magnum/amarillo/citra.

 

[NewtownClown]

Punkin is right, The original proposed name when submitted to the BJCP was Cascadia Dark Ale.

To suggest that new styles don't have a place In BJCP style guidelines nor even be recognised as a style is absurd. Especially so since the Style Guidelines are less than 40 years old.

 

[timmi9191]

Fark yeah Pratty..
make the blackest ipa-est beer thingest ever
Black and proud

 

[carniebrew]

Denny's favourite would be my pick of those yeasts.

For the hops, I'd hit it with loads of frequent late hops - at least half the IBU from additions every 5 minutes after 20. I'd also use the flavour hops all the way through and not worry about using a very slightly higher aa% hop as a bittering hop. 1/2 IBu from a 50:50 mix of amarillo and citra, the rest from your late bursts.

Interesting in this to consider water treatment - sulphate is usually recommended for hoppy beers but never in dark beers. I'd be interested to know how it would turn out with and without some gypsum but that might be a test for another day.

<snip>

Manticle, what's your thinking on using the flavour hops all the way through, rather than Magnum/Warrior or some such for 50% of the IBU as bittering?

 

[manticle]

I have never been a fan of using a hop purely for bittering. The flavour of bittering hops carries through in my experience although it may be disguised by later hops.

In this case the flavour hops are high aa anyway so any justification for using a different hop is lost. We're talking 2% aa between flavour and bittering hops.

 

[Dan Pratt]

I have never been a fan of using a hop purely for bittering. The flavour of bittering hops carries through in my experience although it may be disguised by later hops.

In this case the flavour hops are high aa anyway so any justification for using a different hop is lost. We're talking 2% aa between flavour and bittering hops.

so with a 50 ibu beer say - 25 ibu made from a 50/50 split on citra/amarillo and the rest of the 25 ibu from 20-0min additions of the same hops, purely based on being similar AA% as the suggested Magnum hops right?

 

[carniebrew]

Yeah, so in a 19l batch, with say 8.5% Amarillo and 11% Citra, something like:

(Hop amounts are combined, not each, so 50% Amarillo, 50% Citra)
20gm @ 60
15gm @ 20
15gm @ 15
15gm @ 10
15gm @ 5
15gm @ flameout (or whatever flameout addition you prefer given we don't 'technically' measure IBU from flameout)

That should give you roughly 50 IBU, with half coming from the 60m addition, half from the 20 and later additions.

 

[manticle]

Sounds good pratty.

 

[Dan Pratt]

thankyou for the input, here is where the recipe is at after applying this info.

Estimated OG: 1.062 SG
Estimated Color: 60.9 EBC
Estimated IBU: 50.0 IBUs

Ingredients:
------------
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
4.49 kg Ale ( MEU Au ) (5.9 EBC) Grain 1 78.0 %
0.55 kg Wheat, Flaked (3.2 EBC) Grain 2 9.5 %
0.43 kg Cara Hell (GER) (25.0 EBC) Grain 3 7.5 %
0.29 kg Carafa III (1500.0 EBC) Grain 4 5.0 %

15.08 g Amarillo Gold [9.20 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 14.9 IBUs
10.05 g Citra [11.10 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 6 12.0 IBUs

10.05 g Amarillo Gold [9.20 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 7 4.9 IBUs
10.05 g Citra [11.10 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 8 5.9 IBUs

10.05 g Amarillo Gold [9.20 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 9 3.6 IBUs
10.05 g Citra [11.10 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 10 4.3 IBUs

10.05 g Amarillo Gold [9.20 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 11 2.0 IBUs
10.05 g Citra [11.10 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 12 2.4 IBUs

1.0 pkg Dennys Favourite 50 (Wyeast #1450) Yeast 13
-
21.00 g Amarillo Gold [9.20 %] - Dry Hop 3.0 Days Hop 14
21.00 g Citra [11.10 %] - Dry Hop 3.0 Days Hop 15

I have decided to dry hop instead of steep or just whirlpool, only for 3days before kegging. its about 2 and bit grams per litre

 

[carniebrew]

Geez that looks sweet. I'm gonna crack the same thing but with BRY-97, as soon as I can get my hands on some Carafa Special III.

EDIT: Although I will go with 20, 15, 10, 5 and flameout with Citra & Amarillo. And some dry hopping.

 

[Dan Pratt]

Hi Carnie,

Should we do a bottle swap - 750ml each? Will probably cost about $20 bucks to send from here to melbourne??

:chug:

 

[carniebrew]

Sounds like a plan. Should be even cheaper than that, my missus is always posting eBay stuff with pre-paid satchels, 500gm-3kg is $11.70. Just have to make sure the bottles are really well protected somehow. If you could send 2 bottles (might be the same price as 1?) I could drop both of our brews over to Manticle to say thanks for the input.

I gotta get over to G&G soon for the Carafa 3, and I'm still waiting for my step drill bit to arrive so I can fit my ball valve to my new pot. Hopefully this week, I can brew it Sunday.

Current recipe for mine looks like this (open to tweaks as always):

1054/1012, 5.9% (after bottling), 50 IBU, 57 EBC

Amt Name Type # %/IBU
4.50 kg Joe White Traditional Ale (5.9 EBC) Grain 1 88.2 %
0.25 kg Carafa III (1400.0 EBC) Grain 2 4.9 % (NOTE: Add just prior to mash out)
0.20 kg Joe White Cara (50.0 EBC) Grain 3 3.9 %
0.15 kg Joe White Crystal Wheat (125.0 EBC) Grain 4 2.9 %

8.00 g Amarillo [9.30 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 8.8 IBUs
7.00 g Citra [11.90 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 6 9.9 IBUs

8.00 g Amarillo [9.30 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 7 5.4 IBUs
7.00 g Citra [11.90 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 8 6.0 IBUs

8.00 g Amarillo [9.30 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 9 4.4 IBUs
7.00 g Citra [11.90 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 10 4.9 IBUs

8.00 g Amarillo [9.30 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 12 3.2 IBUs
7.00 g Citra [11.90 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 13 3.6 IBUs

8.00 g Amarillo [9.30 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 15 1.8 IBUs
7.00 g Citra [11.90 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 16 2.0 IBUs

10.00 g Amarillo [9.30 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 17 0.0 IBUs
10.00 g Citra [11.90 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 18 0.0 IBUs

American West Coast (Danstar #BRY-97) Yeast

20.00 g Amarillo [9.30 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 20 0.0 IBUs
20.00 g Citra [11.90 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 21 0.0 IBUs

 

[Dan Pratt]

Current recipe for mine looks like this (open to tweaks as always):

recipe? h34r:

 

[sponge]

recipe? h34r:

1054/1012, 5.9% (after bottling), 50 IBU, 57 EBC

Amt Name Type # %/IBU
4.50 kg Joe White Traditional Ale (5.9 EBC) Grain 1 88.2 %
0.25 kg Carafa III (1400.0 EBC) Grain 2 4.9 % (NOTE: Add just prior to mash out)
0.20 kg Joe White Cara (50.0 EBC) Grain 3 3.9 %
0.15 kg Joe White Crystal Wheat (125.0 EBC) Grain 4 2.9 %

8.00 g Amarillo [9.30 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 8.8 IBUs
7.00 g Citra [11.90 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 6 9.9 IBUs

8.00 g Amarillo [9.30 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 7 5.4 IBUs
7.00 g Citra [11.90 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 8 6.0 IBUs

8.00 g Amarillo [9.30 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 9 4.4 IBUs
7.00 g Citra [11.90 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 10 4.9 IBUs

8.00 g Amarillo [9.30 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 12 3.2 IBUs
7.00 g Citra [11.90 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 13 3.6 IBUs

8.00 g Amarillo [9.30 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 15 1.8 IBUs
7.00 g Citra [11.90 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 16 2.0 IBUs

10.00 g Amarillo [9.30 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 17 0.0 IBUs
10.00 g Citra [11.90 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 18 0.0 IBUs

American West Coast (Danstar #BRY-97) Yeast

20.00 g Amarillo [9.30 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 20 0.0 IBUs
20.00 g Citra [11.90 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 21 0.0 IBUs

 

[carniebrew]

Sorry, I was having trouble finding the best way to get a recipe out of Beersmith 2 and into here.