Fresh wort kits vs Can worts

[Ghizo]

I will be doing one of these soon

 

[daveHQ]

I just done a riggers black IPA from G&G, it turned out fantastic!

 

[Lowlyf]

I'm a big fan of the all in brewing fwk.
I have done the ruby and the kala Amber and black ipa.
They show the all grain recipe on the kit and recommend the dry hop amounts.
Every time they turn out perfect. 15L kit to make 20L.

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These guys at All Inn brewing co are literally just down the road from me. I'm going to go and pick up a fwk from them this weekend. STOKED!

 

[Rocker1986]

MIght as well try a few of their beers while you're at it too. I went there for something once, I think it might have been their opening weekend, and the beers were excellent.

 

[AlwayzLoozeCount]

How long would the shelf life be on a fresh wort kit?

How long do all grain brewers keep their wort in a cube before you decide to brew it up?

I bought an All In Brewing citra pale fwk and noticed it was 6 months old when I got it home. Drinking a glass now. It doesn't taste bad at all but it has no aroma and the taste is pretty bland, maybe it's past its best.. I get much better results just using kits with some additions.

 

[Rocker1986]

I think it's about 2 years. Personally I don't like to leave them much past 3 months; I know they won't go off or anything like that, but I wonder if the hop influence diminishes in the cube in the same way it does post fermentation in the bottle or keg? So yeah, I prefer to ferment them as fresh as I can. Most of mine sit there about 1-2 months at the moment, before I ferment them.

 

[Lowlyf]

How long would the shelf life be on a fresh wort kit?

How long do all grain brewers keep their wort in a cube before you decide to brew it up?

I bought an All In Brewing citra pale fwk and noticed it was 6 months old when I got it home. Drinking a glass now. It doesn't taste bad at all but it has no aroma and the taste is pretty bland, maybe it's past its best.. I get much better results just using kits with some additions.

Maybe try just dry hopping it slightly

 

[tj2204]

I bought an All In Brewing citra pale fwk and noticed it was 6 months old when I got it home. Drinking a glass now. It doesn't taste bad at all but it has no aroma and the taste is pretty bland, maybe it's past its best.. I get much better results just using kits with some additions.

According to their site the Citra Pale Ale is only 15 IBU, so that could be the issue?

 

[Rocker1986]

I daresay it probably is the issue. That's a bloody low IBU for a pale ale. :blink:

 

[panzerd18]

Brewing the ALL IN Citra Pale Ale at the moment. Nearly ready to bottle and should be fantastic.

 

[GFC07]

Hi Fella's

I've done 6 All in FWK to date and all have been fantastic in my humble opinion.

You cant really go wrong with these kits.

Ive done the following kits:
Billy murray lager (with saflager yeast) Was very nice
2 x citra pale ale (dry hopped 25g of citra & Cascade) My favorite so fat
Ruby amber ale (Safale05) nice beer
Lucy Session ale + BE2 (kegging tomorrow) should be good from reports ive herd
and purchased an american brown today and intend to lay down tomorrow with safeale05

Money wise it compares to extract brewing (traditional flavor tin, 2 tins of extract, specialty grains,hops, yeast etc) with half the effort (- additional hops).
Time wise is no comparison.
Taste wise i personally believe they are much better than majority of the kit and kilo brews you will make, however some of my extract brews where awesome but they cost me around $65 to make.
In short they are excellent value for money for great tasting beer for little to no effort.

I might add i dont have temp regulation for ferment, i dont crash chill, i dont rack off to secondary, i do keg and i love beer
I try and keep ferment in range around 20 deg +/- 2 or 3 deg

Cheers

 

[Rocker1986]

What were you putting in your extract brews to have them cost $65?? Or are you located somewhere where it costs more? :unsure:
Most of my extract brews were around the $30-$35 mark. Now, with AG they're around $20-$25 a batch, unless I make a big beer, which is rare.

I don't rack to secondary either, never have done, even with lagers. Can't see the point to be honest, except in certain circumstances (long term conditioning before bottling/kegging etc.)

 

[GFC07]

What were you putting in your extract brews to have them cost $65?? Or are you located somewhere where it costs more?
Most of my extract brews were around the $30-$35 mark. Now, with AG they're around $20-$25 a batch, unless I make a big beer, which is rare.

I don't rack to secondary either, never have done, even with lagers. Can't see the point to be honest, except in certain circumstances (long term conditioning before bottling/kegging etc.)

I've been finishing a coopers pale ale keg of so i apologize in advance

Today i purchased in northern suburbs of melb,
Blackrock american pal ale tin - $23.90
Morgans Xtra pale LME - $14.50
1kg DLME - $10.00 (the dry light stuff)
sf05 - $6.50 (can use kit yeast if i wanted)
=$55
I haven't included hops yet for boils and additions or used specialty grains and steep/mini mash blah blah blah. :chug:
Add hops which they sell @ $5 -7.5 p/50g, and if your making a hop hog or similar and use 2 or 3 different hops, that's another $10 - $15 so your looking at $65 - $70.
= $70

I gotta say, beers with the extras and hops and **** thrown in are the bests you may make without going AG (up for debate), but had ive had similar results with the citra FWK with extra hops for dry hopping.

Dont get me wrong, i love trying out different *****, im up to about 25 - 30 extract/kit/FWK brews, I've only had 1 that was total ***** due to infection from my young fella poking hole in the glad wrap and dropping in a couple of leggo's i later discovered :blink:

I'm sort of half way along making an AG/mash rig that i can also use to distill "water" with so i can make my own oak flavored "water" drinks with

Anyways im always looking to make things cheaper and I'm trying to save so i can finish of the shed thats up with concrete/electrical/Gas/water then look out all grain brewing/mashing and all things crafty :beerbang:

 

[Lowlyf]

What were you putting in your extract brews to have them cost $65?? Or are you located somewhere where it costs more? :unsure:
Most of my extract brews were around the $30-$35 mark. Now, with AG they're around $20-$25 a batch, unless I make a big beer, which is rare.

I don't rack to secondary either, never have done, even with lagers. Can't see the point to be honest, except in certain circumstances (long term conditioning before bottling/kegging etc.)

What is your secret to a clear brew then?

 

[mongey]

GFC07 - that shop is pretty expensive. Cans are $5 more than other shops and esb sell 05 for less than $5

 

[Rocker1986]

Yeah, I can see how it adds up. I didn't like the hops prices at the brew shop so I started sourcing online for heaps cheaper. Yeast I re-use to save on that. I'm not gonna get into the debate of extract vs AG but in my personal experience my AG brews have been streets ahead of the extract ones I did. In saying that, the extract plus grains and hops were better than the kits. Of course, as I went along I also learned about temp control and other things to improve my beers, so it all sort of evolved as I moved up the "ranks" so to speak. The FWKs are all AG as far as I know.

What is your secret to a clear brew then?

I use Brewbrite in the boil (last ten mins) and I add Polyclar during cold crashing about a week before I bottle the batch. It basically does the same thing as time - just a shitload faster.

 

[Bbowzky1]

I shop at Grain and Grape and they usually rotate there brews thru the kezza. There FWKs are amazing and usually very fresh.
I usually use these when i don't have enough time to do a propper brew, or if i javnt got any yeast ready i just put one on with US05.
Definitely worth the 45 bucks.

 

[Ghizo]

Just tried my first Hefeweizen fresh wort kit. Must say pretty good. Easy drinking. I will try another fresh wort brew.

 

[MRZ]

I was at the LHBS and saw some 15L FWK and asked about them. They said just put in the fermenter and top up to 20L and put yeast in and thats it. Can add some late hops too.

I thought about it and is easier than me curently doing kit and kilo and they said its also fresher compared to the can stuff.

I will try it later when I get through some of my cans.

 

[Mikeyr]

FWK's are a bloody good step up, add in some "05" yeast and a handful of hops ..... you get a great brew ............BUT BEWARE!!!!!

FWK's are definitely the "gateway drug" .... before you know it you will be meeting guys in dodgy carparks to collect your latest group buy grain :lol: ...which reminds me .. i need some more Pils...

You'll have more plastic tubs than Bunnings

Your laundry will start looking like someone's set up a meth lab and your wife will want to know why you need ANOTHER fridge .....and you know what an Erlenmeyer flask is and you can spell it!

And just like "free fish" when fishing ..... that "cheap beer" that you once used to make is costing more per litre than grange ..... when all the gear is costed in!!

AND LOVING IT!!!!!!!