Critique Of Bastard Pilsener Recipe?

[NeilArge]

Hey ho all

I'm about to end the winter (lager/pilsener) brewing campaign with an American style pilsener. Ideally I would have made a CAP using some flaked maize but I don't have any of the latter, whereas I can get flaked rice easily. It's based on a Charlie Papazian recipe. My only major concern is what to do about the aromatic malt. I don't have any melanoiden on hand - and don't want to send off an order just for that - so would it be reasonable to include a bit of munich to sub the aromatic but then do a single decoction mash?

Cheers

ToG

Recipe: KISS Pilsener
Recipe Specifications
Batch Size: 22.00 L
Boil Size: 26.49 L
Estimated OG: 1.049 SG
Estimated Color: 8.7 EBC
Estimated IBU: 29.5
IBU Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes
Ingredients: Amount Item Type % or IBU
4.00 kg Pilsner, Malt Craft Export (Joe White) (3.Grain 85.47 %
0.45 kg Rice, Flaked (2.0 EBC) Grain 9.62 %
0.23 kg Aromatic Malt (51.2 EBC) Grain 4.91 %
10.00 gm Saaz [4.00 %] (Dry Hop 3 days) Hops -
50.00 gm Saaz [4.00 %] (90 min) Hops 24.3 IBU
10.00 gm Hallertauer Mittelfrueh [4.00 %] (60 min)Hops 4.5 IBU
15.00 gm Spalter [4.50 %] (2 min) Hops 0.6 IBU
1 Pkgs Pilsen Lager (Wyeast Labs #2007) Yeast-Lager
Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch Sparge
90 min Mash In Add 14.04 L of water at 69.3 C Step Temp 64.0 C

 

[razz]

Try Melanoidin malt ToG.
Whoops! just reread your post, howabout some Munich II ?

 

[NeilArge]

Try Melanoidin malt ToG.
Whoops! just reread your post, howabout some Munich II ?

Cheers, Razz. Just might do that. Would you do a decoction with this as well or just stick to a simple infusion mash?

Cheers

TunOf

 

[NeilArge]

Cheers, Razz. Just might do that. Would you do a decoction with this as well or just stick to a simple infusion mash?

Cheers

TunOf

Anybody else have any thoughts as to whether a decoction mash, including some Munich, might be a suitable substitute for aromatic malt in the pilsener?

Cheers

ToG

 

[neonmeate]

Anybody else have any thoughts as to whether a decoction mash, including some Munich, might be a suitable substitute for aromatic malt in the pilsener?

Cheers

ToG

i have had more colour than flavour from decoctions in the past, so if it's flavour you're after i don't think decocting is worth the hassle - i think munich II (perhaps double the amount you would use of aromatic) would be fine, unless you like decoctions, or you will be doing a multirest mash anyway for the maize. edit: i mean rice. we're all misreading.

 

[razz]

If you did a decoction ToG then it wouldn't be a KISS Pilsener. Seriously, no need for a decoction with those malts. Just adds to the brew day.

 

[NeilArge]

i have had more colour than flavour from decoctions in the past, so if it's flavour you're after i don't think decocting is worth the hassle - i think munich II (perhaps double the amount you would use of aromatic) would be fine, unless you like decoctions, or you will be doing a multirest mash anyway for the maize. edit: i mean rice. we're all misreading.

Thanks neonmate. Good advice on the quantities there.

Cheers

 

[NeilArge]

If you did a decoction ToG then it wouldn't be a KISS Pilsener. Seriously, no need for a decoction with those malts. Just adds to the brew day.

:lol: Good point razz. I was just reading through a thread on CAPs and saw your question re: hopping. What did you end up using?

Ta