Creationist vs Scientist Live Debate

[Ducatiboy stu]

Bloidy scientists. Going around spending all their time making sense of things.

 

[angus_grant]

Expressed beautifully.


Years ago I worked with a guy who believed Earth was only 6000 years old. When I asked him about carbon dating he told me that it was made up by scientists.

Watch some of this from about 10 minutes.

Darwin was a racist. Oh my dog, argument is destroyed.

 

[idzy]

I am a Christian.

 

[angus_grant]

I am an Angus

 

[krausenhaus]

Expressed beautifully.


Years ago I worked with a guy who believed Earth was only 6000 years old. When I asked him about carbon dating he told me that it was made up by scientists.

I met this creationist guy at a bar once and he said that he believed radioactive dating was flawed, but then he admitted he didn't really know much about it and asked me to explain it to him.

So I took the time to explain in some detail how it works, and that scientists don't only use carbon but a range of different radioisotopes with half-lifes ranging from thousands to billions of years and that the different methods all converge with one another, but the whole time I was talking he just sat there with a stupid grin shaking his head like I was explaining some outrageous conspiracy theory.

So I went to the bar and got another beer and then sat somewhere else when I came back.

 

[Liam_snorkel]

Haha oh boy. This is a pisser. JB can be a bit hit and miss, but this piece is gold.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/blogs/blunt-instrument/for-gods-sake-how-did-he-get-out-20140205-321yi.html

"If it helps we cringed a lot as the cheerful creationist debated your popular scientist Mr Bill Nye, wherein by debate I meant faithfully repeat things that couldn’t possibly be true over and over until the audience – which topped a million viewers online – began to imagine that maybe Russell Crowe did build a big boat and squeeze 14,000 pairs of animals on board just to avoid the big flood that gave Kevin Costner gills in Waterworld because that would also explain why the polar caps are melting because God is keeping his options open. Or something."

 

[Dave70]

Show me the evidence.

I want a batmonkeyfish fossil

Her you go mister, meet the family. introducing Pikaia of the Burgess Shale. Estimitated to be around five hundred million years old.
Apparently, its the notocord, primitive limbs and muscle attachments that make all the difference in terms of vertebrate evolution.

So according to the sharpest minds around, we basically evolved from 2" long worms.

I think it was Darwin who quipped, 'We'll never escape the stamp of our lowly origins'. - likely as he grabbed someone on the arse and felt the bony lump where our tails use to be.


More poignant in a way, was a quote from the famous paleontologist, evolutionary biologist, scientific historian - and so on - Stephen J Gould:

"if we could somehow "rewind the tape" of evolution and let it play again, chance would favor a different selection of that original multitude, and the world would be a very different place from the one we see around us. There is nothing "preordained" about the appearance of humanity or the human level of awareness."

Butterfly effect? Spooky.


Now isn't that kind of stuff infinitely more thought provoking than simply passing us off as being crafted by some capricious insecure dictator from dust and clay, or clots of blood, or bits of rib?

 

[Dave70]

I am a Christian.

No ones judging you.

At least in this thread.

 

[jlm]

I'd like to hear from Jim Jefferies on what he thinks of the subject:



****, what with all the swears and stuff..........

 

[sp0rk]

Haha oh boy. This is a pisser. JB can be a bit hit and miss, but this piece is gold.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/blogs/blunt-instrument/for-gods-sake-how-did-he-get-out-20140205-321yi.html

"If it helps we cringed a lot as the cheerful creationist debated your popular scientist Mr Bill Nye, wherein by debate I meant faithfully repeat things that couldn’t possibly be true over and over until the audience – which topped a million viewers online – began to imagine that maybe Russell Crowe did build a big boat and squeeze 14,000 pairs of animals on board just to avoid the big flood that gave Kevin Costner gills in Waterworld because that would also explain why the polar caps are melting because God is keeping his options open. Or something."

In the Comments
"Here's a tip on the apparent ark issue .... you're assuming that the animals had to be full size. You might want to re-think that one."
Oh man, that's the best theory yet!

 

[Parks]

I have come to this thought on religion:

If you are religious and use stories in the bible to demonstrate some moral story and share hope with like minded people - great. If it provides a means of counsel to help you get through tough times - great.

If you use the bible to judge others, pick and choose what's literal and what's figurative to suit whatever point you are trying to prove, or to vilify someone else, quite frankly you p*ss right off. I know too many Catholic people who do whatever they want in life then go to church a few times a year and are all forgiven.

I live by the thought of being a good person to others because you want to, not because you're trying to get into heaven or stay out of hell. Don't be a c*nt - it's a pretty simple life philosophy.

 

[manticle]

Her you go mister, meet the family. introducing Pikaia of the Burgess Shale. Estimitated to be around five hundred million years old.Apparently, its the notocord, primitive limbs and muscle attachments that make all the difference in terms of vertebrate evolution.

So according to the sharpest minds around, we basically evolved from 2" long worms. I think it was Darwin who quipped, 'We'll never escape the stamp of our lowly origins'. - likely as he grabbed someone on the arse and felt the bony lump where our tails use to be. More poignant in a way, was a quote from the famous paleontologist, evolutionary biologist, scientific historian - and so on - Stephen J Gould: "if we could somehow "rewind the tape" of evolution and let it play again, chance would favor a different selection of that original multitude, and the world would be a very different place from the one we see around us. There is nothing "preordained" about the appearance of humanity or the human level of awareness." Butterfly effect? Spooky. Now isn't that kind of stuff infinitely more thought provoking than simply passing us off as being crafted by some capricious insecure dictator from dust and clay, or clots of blood, or bits of rib?

Yeah but where's the evidence? You can't show any evidence.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

I couldn't be stuffed watching the debate, we all know where we came from, why try and debate with those people, the reason Ken Ham went over there was because he would feel at home amongst all the other fruit cakes.

Potential Republican Texas Senate Candidate David Barton Claims Abortion Leads to Climate Change
Ken Ham could have stayed here and got a bigger audience world wide had he chosen Xanthe Mallet as his adversary especially if she wore her trade mark singlet.

 

[Cube]

Years ago I worked with a guy who believed Earth was only 6000 years old. When I asked him about carbon dating he told me that it was made up by scientists.

Ask him how he got to work and if it was on a bike, car, train or bus ask him where and how the metal for such an invention came from for him to magically sit on his *** and be propelled through space time to work.

 

[Liam_snorkel]

"if we could somehow "rewind the tape" of evolution and let it play again, chance would favor a different selection of that original multitude, and the world would be a very different place from the one we see around us. There is nothing "preordained" about the appearance of humanity or the human level of awareness."

depends if you're going to go back further than the proterozoic eon or not, and if you're going to assume that geologically, Earth would have followed a similar course. yes, life would look different, but my guess would be that the different forms of life would be fulfilling the same or similar functions to what it has so far. Evolution is driven by changes in the surrounding environment, and species expand & specialise to fill ecological niches. The niches become environmentally separated, & over time become separate. There's a good book I've read which touches on this, The Collapse of Chaos: Discovering Simplicity in a Complex World. Written by a mathematician & a biologist, mostly in layman's terms.

 

[Mardoo]

I couldn't be stuffed watching the debate, we all know where we came from...

Today my daughter said, "I stayed in Oscar's (our cat) tummy until I got really big and popped out his V V."

 

[Not For Horses]

I wonder if there are any circumstances for which manticle has no video...

 

[OzPaleAle]

Bill Bailey did a very interesting doco on Wallace(along the same lines as Darwins natural election) not long ago, can be found online.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0160nxk

 

[angus_grant]

Today my daughter said, "I stayed in Oscar's (our cat) tummy until I got really big and popped out his V V."

Well obviously if she believes it, then it is fact!

Now write a book about it, throw some miracles in, set up a world-wide pyramid scheme, and profit!!

Careful though, some other organisation might have a trademark on the business setup!

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

The bible was pretty factual right up to the point of Adam and the talking snake. After that it just got to wierd.