Creationist vs Scientist Live Debate

[manticle]

It is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBqe5xvYnNc

 

[mckenry]

The real debate should be 'why does Religion exist at all?' More people have been abused, tortured and murdered in the name of God than all wars summed. Not just the Christian God. Here is a snapshot of some atrocities. I couldnt find the article I wanted to, but this is similar. Most of it is old, but I doubt it will ever end. There is (IMO) more hate in the world based on religious belief than anything else.
Being an athiest, I dont hate anyone for following a religion, because we are not in conflict. (They may hate me, but meh) I dont have the need to prove my god exists and theirs doesnt. Its a nothing debate that gets people all worked up.

Another point that ***** me, is why do I have to wear the label 'Athiest'? Whats the label for someone who doesnt believe in the Tooth Fairy? Both God & the Tooth Fairy have shown themselves to me equally.

Having said all that - every active church goer I know, is nice and I'm glad I live in a country where the laws/morals are based on the Christian bible.

 

[tavas]

Faeriest!!!

 

[tavas]

Having said all that - every active church goer I know, is nice and I'm glad I live in a country where the laws/morals are based on the Christian bible.

I've found the opposite is mostly true. Most churchgoers I know are the most racist, small minded bigots I've ever met. They think that by going to church on Sunday all is forgiven.

 

[OzPaleAle]

The real debate should be 'why does Religion exist at all?'

I am far from religious, I do think that if the belief in Heaven\God makes the death of a loved one easier for someone then that can't be a bad thing.
I don't like the exclusion\derision that comes across when you do mention your not flavour x of religion\atheist, the if your not with us your against us that is evident in some religions.

I remember speaking to my neighbour who was a Karma Yogi(I think thats what it was called) and what that meant, the gist sounded like it was just about being a good bloke in general, helping someone out with no expectation of the favour being returned, just made him happy to help someone out. Seemed like a reasonable enough thing, hard to say that religion is evil, except he wasn't meant to drink beer, body is a temple yada yada.

 

[mckenry]

Having said all that - every active church goer I know, is nice and I'm glad I live in a country where the laws/morals are based on the Christian bible.

I've found the opposite is mostly true. Most churchgoers I know are the most racist, small minded bigots I've ever met. They think that by going to church on Sunday all is forgiven.

I'll admit I dont know that many, but the ones I do, have never given me that impression. They seem to never lose their temper, or criticise others (apart from religious belief, which is my problem with religion anyway) and handle pressure quite well. It would be nice to believe that a greater being is in control and therefore you can relax, dont worry, have a homebrew. read the bible. Not my go though.
As I said in the opener, small sample pool and it might just be how those few are and not indicative of the religious population.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

What??!! So we weren't created by the FSM???

Nope. He was to busy watching the strippers and drinking from the beer volcano

 

[OzPaleAle]

And in summary....

 

[Truman42]

I read a book years ago called "Chariots of the Gods (was God an Astronaut)" by Erik Von Daniken.
Quite a good read and it basically says that a lot of information in the bible can be put down to an alien visit. An example I remember is Marys immaculate conception, In short she was knocked out by a stun gun and alien semen inseminated into her. Thats why jesus could do so many party tricks. He was half human half advanced alien intelligent life form.

Even the star that the 3 wise men followed was the alien mother ship in orbit around the earth.

Recently I watched the mini series called The Bible and every miracle performed could be explained by advanced technology. Red sea being parted....force field from an orbiting mothership.

Sodom and gomorah hit by fire and brimstone..... laser beams from a space craft.
Anyway its a great read if your into that sort of thing.

Heres the link from amazon.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chariots-Gods-Was-God-Astronaut/dp/0285629115




All over the world there are fantastic ruins and improbable objects which cannot be explained by conventional theories of history, archaeology, and religion. Why, for instance, do the world's sacred books describe Gods who came down from the sky in fiery chariots and always promised to return? How could an ancient Sanskrit text contain an account which could only be of a journey in an alien craft? Compare photographs of American space centre launch sites to the constructions on the plains of Nazca in Peru. In order to understand the mysteries which Erich Von Daniken has cataloqued we must go back to these ancient relics with an open mind. We must call in the resources and experience of sciences other than archaeology. Read Von Daniken's classic work and make up your own mind.

 

[Truman42]

BTW, How do creationists explain the dinosaurs? Whats their answer on who put them there and why? Just god playing around when he was a little boy before making us????

 

[Airgead]

I think your tinfoil hat just slipped a little.

 

[Airgead]

The whole alien thing is essentially the same as religion anyway. It provides no answers.

Just replace the word god with the word alien. Still just as devoid of any real explanation for anything. It just changes all answers from "because god" to "because aliens". Which is a little cooler I admit.. because.. you know... aliens! Aliens are cool.

You might as well replace God with Flying Spaghetti Monster. Or Flying zombie veloceraptors. Or Jedi squirrels.

Why? Because Jedi Squirrels.

I'll stick with plain old boring science which provides actual answers to stuff.

 

[Liam_snorkel]

http://www.skepdic.com/vondanik.html

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Well that explains Scientology......but will never explain Tom Cruise

 

[Airgead]

Nothing can explain Tom Cruise.

Edit: Not even Jedi Squirrels.

 

[pcmfisher]

I'm glad I live in a country where the laws/morals are based on the Christian bible.

That's the selective good bits you are talking about, right?

Not the slavery, genocide, killing children etc..

 

[sp0rk]

Not bagging people who believe this theory, I don't personally believe it but I do find it quite interesting

 

[Camo6]

Lol. I read Chariot of the Gods years ago and from memory the author was a bigger zealot than most of the religious nuts I know.
I think Icke(sp?) is closer to the truth and we're ruled by a horde of lizard people.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

I'm glad I live in a country where the laws/morals are based on the Christian bible.

Um....yeah....hundreds of stolen , forced adoptees, physicaly & sexually abused children cant be wrong....

 

[pcmfisher]

The whole alien thing is essentially the same as religion anyway. It provides no answers.

Just replace the word god with the word alien. Still just as devoid of any real explanation for anything. It just changes all answers from "because god" to "because aliens". Which is a little cooler I admit.. because.. you know... aliens! Aliens are cool.

You might as well replace God with Flying Spaghetti Monster. Or Flying zombie veloceraptors. Or Jedi squirrels.

Why? Because Jedi Squirrels.

I'll stick with plain old boring science which provides actual answers to stuff.

Yes, that's right.
Don't have an explanation for something? Well, God did it, or aliens. It doesn't matter.

The up side is, the more we learn, the less can be attributed to a God.