Reducing Water Boil Amount In Extract Recipe

[Thunderlips]

Another book, another recipe.
This time for Timothy Taylors Landlord.

The extract recipes in "Brew Your Own British Real Ale" call for an 18 litre boil.

For this recipe it says for a 23 litre brew (I imagine you add the extra water to the 18L ater the boil and transfering to the fermenter?) that it needs
39g of Styrian Goldings and 32g of Fuggles hops at the start of the boil, which is 90 minutes.
Malt extract is 3.3kg.

Then at the last 15 minutes add 15g of Goldings hops and 10g Irish Moss.

Can I reduce the water in the boil, to say 9 litres, and simply reduce the hops and malt by half?
I just think that 18 litres is a hell of a lot of water to boil for extract recipes.

Also, are Goldings hops the same as East Kent Goldings?

Thanks.

 

[felten]

East kent goldings are goldings from east kent, if they aren't from east kent then they will just be called goldings. Styrian goldings are a fuggles variety from slovenia

 

[Thunderlips]

East kent goldings are goldings from east kent, if they aren't from east kent then they will just be called goldings. Styrian goldings are a fuggles variety from slovenia

Thanks.

The reason I ask is because while looking over at both Craftbrewer and Grain and Grape I saw no Goldings pellets, just
East Kent Goldings. Though Craftbrewer does seem to have flowers.

 

[felten]

The goldings on CB is NZ grown so its probably different, never used it so I can't speak for it. The East kent goldings though is the authentic british grown one.

 

[Rodolphe01]

You can't halve the hops for the boil as this will halve the bitterness and flavour. I don't see why you couldn't halve the malt and water for the boil though, adding the remaining malt after the boil and the extra water into the fermenter.

 

[RdeVjun]

The Goldings flowers are from New Zealand, I've used them and they're OK, increase the rate a little as they can be a little subdued, but I'd actually use East Kent Goldings in a TTL.

Oh, yes, I'd reduce the boil volume, that's just silly boiling 18L for an extract as there's no need to waste all of that energy. In a 10L pot I'd boil 5L water, half a kg of malt extract but keep the hops amounts and times exactly the same. After the boil is finished, use that heat to dissolve the rest of the malt extract.

BTW, Dr Smurto's TTL is a cracking recipe, I use that hops schedule quite a lot- 20IBU Fuggles for bittering (90 mins), 10IBU EKG flavour (20mins) and increase aroma Styrian Goldings to 2g/L, dry hop or hop tea some more Styrian during fermentation. A 3% Caraaroma version should be possible for extract too, I believe the good doctor fancies that variant now, unless I'm mistaken.

What yeast BTW? You can't beat 1469 but it is difficult to obtain. Gryphon had Proculture 103 Wood Ale recently I heard, it is the best 1469 sub, or so I've heard. Ringwood is a decent alternative, maybe Nottingham in dried.

Hope it goes well, TTL is a superb drop and is my house ale, doing batch #32 today!

 

[Thunderlips]

Good to hear I can reduce the water.
RdeVjun, I'll try as you said, a 5L boil and use the East Kent Goldings.

As for the yeast, the book doesn't actually mention yeast for any of the recipes.
So I did a little Googling regarding yeast and found that 1469 was recommended but as mentioned, hard to find.
I'll probably use the Ringwood.

Thanks everyone.

 

[manticle]

The thing that matters is the gravity as this will affect the utilisation. If the original recipe wort is 1050 and you reduce your hops, malt and water by half you will get the same bitterness level in the resulting wort.

However if you then dilute with water after the boil you will get half the gravity and half the IBU (approximately). If you halve the water but keep the malt, even if you use the same amount of hops, you will get less out of them (not sure of the ratio).

You should be fine (I think) to halve the malt and water addition, keep the hops additions the same, then dilute the wort down at the end. There is talk of low gravity being responsible for higher but harsher hops utilisation but unless your wort is 1015, maybe don't worry too much this time around. Full volume could be good practice for later though if you are ever looking at going full mash and nothing wrong with boiling all of your water first.

There are a lot of complications with hops, utilisation and so forth - my take is simple but there may be others (MHB?) who might have some more detailed information

I hope the above makes sense. I read through what I first wrote and it was drivel. I have edited to make it clearer.

 

[Nick JD]

You could do a 9L boil.

In a pot add 900g of extract and 9L of water. Bring to the boil for 90 min adding your hops (the amount the 23L recipe calls for).

Cool the boil to 20C ish, add the other 2.4kg of extract to your fermenter, top up with cold water. Add yeast.

 

[Thunderlips]

BTW, Dr Smurto's TTL is a cracking recipe, I use that hops schedule quite a lot- 20IBU Fuggles for bittering (90 mins), 10IBU EKG flavour (20mins) and increase aroma Styrian Goldings to 2g/L, dry hop or hop tea some more Styrian during fermentation. A 3% Caraaroma version should be possible for extract too, I believe the good doctor fancies that variant now, unless I'm mistaken.

I just had a look at that recipe and I'm a little confused about something.

Dr Smurto says a 90 minute boil with the first hop addition at 60 minutes, 40g of Fuggles....

You say Fuggles at 90 minutes
Is that the way you do it?

Seems weird too that in the recipe I listed from the book it has the Styrian hops as the bittering hop at 90 mins and Dr Smurto's has them the other way around as the aroma hop right at the end.

 

[RdeVjun]

Yeah TL, it is just a different recipe, but they will taste similar in many respects. Now you have to make a batch of each and see for yourself which you prefer!