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[mje1980]

Hey guys, keen to know what you think about the creation of new beers styles. Is it too easy to make a new one? are there too many?. I note that the Black IPA is now a style. Nothing against Black IPA's but what's next? Imperial US Wheat beer?? with 100 IBU's and 9%??.

Who decides which new style gets created, and is there any reason ( Historic, specific to a region ) or is it a case of "Im bored lets create a new beer style today?.

I dont really care if there are more, but i wonder if it will get to a point where any fermented beer no matter what the ingredients,recipe etc will magically fall into some category??

Thoughts??

 

[haysie]

I dont think black IPA is an official style. I read it as just some brewclub Brenosbrew found?, whom yeah lets make a style. Nothing official.
edit, its official check out some weirdass beers right here

 

[np1962]

How do new words get into a dictionery?
They become a part of popular culture is how.

I see beer styles as much the same kind of thing.
If many brewers are brewing a similar beer that doesn't fit anywhere within the existing style 'guidelines' then to compare these beers to each other a new style is drafted.

Can't see too many problems with this really, that is unless you are running a competition, has to be a limit there I suppose.

Nige

 

[brendo]

I dont think black IPA is an official style. I read it as just some brewclub Brenosbrew found?, whom yeah lets make a style. Nothing official. :blink:

I believe that this is getting added to an upcoming revision of the BJCP guidelines and that the likely name will be "Cascadian IPA" or something to that effect.

It should be noted of course that the BJCP style guidelines are by no means an exhaustive list and really exist as a reference point for brewers and judges for compettion purposes so that there is a basis on which to provide feedback within a set of specifc guidelines.

 

[Thirsty Boy]

For the particular beer mentioned.. I think a new style is/will be just silly

All you have to do is expand the parameters of IPA and then suddenly it fits into an old category. A lot of the "new" stykes are just minor tweaks of the old ones... Why not just minorly tweak the defenitions?

I think there is a better way to handle the whole beer style thing anyway, so what they do with the current system s all a bit silly as far as i am concerned anyway.

 

[petesbrew]

I believe that this is getting added to an upcoming revision of the BJCP guidelines and that the likely name will be "Cascadian IPA" or something to that effect.

It should be noted of course that the BJCP style guidelines are by no means an exhaustive list and really exist as a reference point for brewers and judges for compettion purposes so that there is a basis on which to provide feedback within a set of specifc guidelines.

That's where the Specialty category comes in.

A lot of us homebrewers like to experiment, open up, and try new things

 

[WarmBeer]

Article in a recent BYO:

Birth of a new Style

 

[Online Brewing Supplies]

What about an old style like Franconian Dark lager (Hoppy), where is a mention of this in BJCP styles ? If I brew one how is it going to be judged if there is no guidelines ? They need to clean up their act before they add more Americanised beer styles. <_<
GB

 

[bum]

Bloody hell. It seems like only moths ago (because it was) I was reading heated debates between US brewers as to whether BIPAs and CDAs should even be considered the similar let alone the same thing.

Glad that's all been sorted.

 

[MarkBastard]

Not that I give a crap about styles and style guidelines, but I am okay with any styles being created as long as there are a few commercial varieties available and they've made an impact by getting plenty of sales. That takes them from being experimental to mainstream.

 

[haysie]

What about an old style like Franconian Dark lager (Hoppy), where is a mention of this in BJCP styles ? If I brew one how is it going to be judged if there is no guidelines ? They need to clean up their act before they add more Americanised beer styles. <_<
GB

EXACTLY what Gryph said. or do i just +1
Or lets everyone enter a beer at state next year and call it a specialty, now what a great style that would be zzzzz zzzzzz zzzzz, the most boring category of beer on earth that includes EVERYTHING that doesnt fit elsewhere, a nomads category. If it was fruit/lambic, rye/spice etc etc maybe it would hold a little bit more credence in my eyes. As it is, its a dumpster.
Judges are hard to find according to this years AABC, new styles when maybe the current ones need more attention might be more worthwhile.

 

[Online Brewing Supplies]

Well thats it, I will brew a Franconian Dark Lager and enter in the WA state comp , looks like I am going to write my own guidlines GBCP:
Lager: Dark
Hoppy.
I cant loose ! :lol:
GB

 

[beerbrewer76543]

Can you add a new style for me: Imperial Black Belgian Pale Ale... :blink:

 

[BrenosBrews]

I dont think black IPA is an official style. I read it as just some brewclub Brenosbrew found?, whom yeah lets make a style. Nothing official.
edit, its official check out some weirdass beers right here

You really do make me laugh sometimes. I guess they are some brewclub, albeit a pretty large one.

What about an old style like Franconian Dark lager (Hoppy), where is a mention of this in BJCP styles ? If I brew one how is it going to be judged if there is no guidelines ? They need to clean up their act before they add more Americanised beer styles. <_<
GB

I'm sure you realise the BJCP is primarily an American organisation. So of course "Americanised" beer styles are going to be added more frequently. I don't know if you were at ANHC but Gordon Strong was actively trying to find Coopers Sparkling Ale to add Sparkling Ale/Australian Pale Ale as an offcial style after undoubtedly being harassed over the years. And how exactly would you suggest a volunteer organisation would clean up their act by the way? They ain't exactly the IOC or FIFA....

EXACTLY what Gryph said. or do i just +1
Or lets everyone enter a beer at state next year and call it a specialty, now what a great style that would be zzzzz zzzzzz zzzzz, the most boring category of beer on earth that includes EVERYTHING that doesnt fit elsewhere, a nomads category. If it was fruit/lambic, rye/spice etc etc maybe it would hold a little bit more credence in my eyes. As it is, its a dumpster.
Judges are hard to find according to this years AABC, new styles when maybe the current ones need more attention might be more worthwhile.

Pretty certain that the specialty category at Vicbrew actually had more entries than any other category. So obviously homebrewers who are interested in entering comps are also interested in brewing experimental, specialty and/or creative beers. Also keep in mind that there are quite a few BJCP styles that are not judged at any state comp and therefore obviously not at the AABC. Even if American-style India Black Ale does become an official BJCP style it doesn't automatically get judged at Australian BJCP sanctioned comps. It would still probably best be entered in the dumpster category.

And in closing, just so you know, Lambic gets judged in the Farmhouse & Wild Ale category, not Specialty.

PS. Read the link that Warmbeer posted about the process of getting a new beer style added. The BJCP don't sit around and smoke bongs and pull styles out of their ass.

Oh and for the record I have never been involved in organising a comp and I'm not a BJCP qualified judge either. Probably won't be anytime soon either as I'm going back to study next year.

 

[Online Brewing Supplies]

God bless America and all their sub prime lagers.
GB

 

[schooey]

It's gobshite... You could create an Imperial Doppelweizen as long as you put an 'A' in front of it... <_<

fukkit, maybe in the new year I'll brew the first ever OIDW...

edit: ...and enter it in the QXIJCS.

 

[argon]

I actually enjoy brewing to style... Perhaps the ocd in me that doesn't lie to see the bold text in beersmith. But most likely formmy own edumacation. I like to know what various beer styles are like, cause god knows I have very limited access to purchasing alot of the styles commercially.

I look forward to more styles being added to the guidelines so I can quickly jump in line with the appropriate characteristics.

 

[mje1980]

Thought this would get a few interesting replies. From a comp point of view ( don't enter many, not that keen ) i can see there needs to be some guidelines, that makes sense. But, really, what's to stop a homebrew community here ( or in germany,UK, or zambia ) from forming the XYZbrewing charter, and making their own set of style guidelines?.

Im certainly not having a go at the BJCP, it sets a sort of "reference" for competitive ( and style nazi ) brewers, but as to adding new styles, i dunno, how should that be decided upon, and if it is even necessary.

Seems a little silly to judge something like a koelsch, which is a regional beer, and has quite a bit of history, and then a "Black IPA", which is an IPA that is basically dark.

 

[schooey]

It'll be a giggle when the guy who wins the IPA gong also wins the CDA category with the same beer + a few drops of sinamar

 

[BrenosBrews]

It'll be a giggle when the guy who wins the IPA gong also wins the CDA category with the same beer + a few drops of sinamar

What CDA category?