Biab - Now Available In The Usa
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browndog
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You should give credit where credit is due Tangent
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Credit where credit is due...it may or may not have initially been his idea (I don't know, people have been using grain bags for a very long time 
), but he did a lot for the method and should not be overlooked :super:
PZ.
*edit* - Beat me to it with the credit thing BD, but we agree & posted within the same 60 seconds :lol:
), but he did a lot for the method and should not be overlooked :super: PZ.
*edit* - Beat me to it with the credit thing BD, but we agree & posted within the same 60 seconds :lol:
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don't get me wrong, Pat will always be recognised on AHB for his efforts, and he got a lot of procrastinators to give up the evil extract. That's definitely worth a :beer:
I didn't find the equipment needed for traditional AG so challenging but at least we don't have so many damn can opener jockeys polluting the threadsh34r: telling us how extract is so much better than a commercial beer (i used to be one of those misguided individuals)
But I'm sure it was beer he was trying to make, not a Colonel Sanders reputation?
I didn't find the equipment needed for traditional AG so challenging but at least we don't have so many damn can opener jockeys polluting the threads
h34r: telling us how extract is so much better than a commercial beer (i used to be one of those misguided individuals)But I'm sure it was beer he was trying to make, not a Colonel Sanders reputation?
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don't get me wrong, Pat will always be recognised on AHB for his efforts, and he got a lot of procrastinators to give up the evil extract. That's definitely worth a :beer:
I didn't find the equipment needed for traditional AG so challenging but at least we don't have so many damn can opener jockeys polluting the threads
But I'm sure it was beer he was trying to make, not a Colonel Sanders reputation?
What ever you reckon mate, I know Pat well, (check my avatar) How would you feel in his place?
Cheers
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Tangent -
It seems PP has even gone Miyagi on us "Anyway, think about it. All is good, given time". Some profound stuff right there...
But I agree that credit where it's due is a good thing, however I also note that this post originated with a PM from Thirstyboy to Pat, so it's not like it's cloak and dagger stuff. Besides, if Pat's OK with it...
The guys name is bub. That says a lot right there.
Tangent -
I think Pat's motives for his essay typing abilities are the Bermuda triangle of the forum. I'm not even sure Pat knows
It seems PP has even gone Miyagi on us "Anyway, think about it. All is good, given time". Some profound stuff right there...
But I agree that credit where it's due is a good thing, however I also note that this post originated with a PM from Thirstyboy to Pat, so it's not like it's cloak and dagger stuff. Besides, if Pat's OK with it...
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Can I make a complaint?
Written a billion posts tonight and all of them ended up with a page saying that basically. "I'm buggered - need to HTFU etc but in Miocrosoft language"
I actually have no idea that even what I'm typing now will get posted - and yeah, I've done CTRL C a billon times.
Thanks to all these Internet F/Ups I am now leaving my APA until morning even though I've pitched. I so started this brew with good intentions but you guys have totally thrown me - it's all your fault!
Browndog rocks!
Written a billion posts tonight and all of them ended up with a page saying that basically. "I'm buggered - need to HTFU etc but in Miocrosoft language"
I actually have no idea that even what I'm typing now will get posted - and yeah, I've done CTRL C a billon times.
Thanks to all these Internet F/Ups I am now leaving my APA until morning even though I've pitched. I so started this brew with good intentions but you guys have totally thrown me - it's all your fault!
Browndog rocks!
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Great post Thirsty! It's very well written and covers all the points very well.
Congrats to you too Pat, I'd be willing to bet you're both chuffed and nervous about your method gaining so much momentum! Be proud too mate, you are helping convert more and more new brewers to the AG scene every day. There are so many more AG brewers here on this forum of recent times and a lot of that is owed to your tireless efforts.
Cheers to that guys,
JS
Congrats to you too Pat, I'd be willing to bet you're both chuffed and nervous about your method gaining so much momentum! Be proud too mate, you are helping convert more and more new brewers to the AG scene every day. There are so many more AG brewers here on this forum of recent times and a lot of that is owed to your tireless efforts.
Cheers to that guys,
JS
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Gotta go and do some work so have no time to do my morning edits/deletions but...
I can't believe that the words, 'James Squire,' didn't pop up in any of my posts that manage to find their way into the ether last night.
After all, it was James who provided the initial trigger for BIAB!
Donya James!!!!
Gotta race,
Pat
I can't believe that the words, 'James Squire,' didn't pop up in any of my posts that manage to find their way into the ether last night.
After all, it was James who provided the initial trigger for BIAB!
Donya James!!!!
Gotta race,
Pat
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anyone know where i can get a 50 litre pot from.. been looking for 2 weeks and cant find any
A camping store on York St in the city sells all size alum pots.anyone know where i can get a 50 litre pot from.. been looking for 2 weeks and cant find any
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Yep, so we can start an export industry selling the bastards kettle liners to do BIAB?
But I do think Pat deserves more credit. He was questioning conventional wisdom, and everyone was a skeptic in the beginning. The atmosphere was far different to what it is now.
And those of us who did follow him into BIAB early on were (are?) newbies so can explain much about why it works, or lend much credibility.
Anyway, good on ya Pat, your BIABy has out grown you. Now go register biab.com and put up a website explaining the method and selling nylon bags of various sizes. Oh and if you leave out the tip about keeping the bag off the bottom of the kettle, you will sell more. Or maybe start flogging turnkey AG setup for under AU$200
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Excellent post Thirsty for a stubborn extract boy going to his first all grain day tomorrow, it is very exciting to look at the whole process of BIAB to get me over the line. Even my wife thought it was brilliant idea, especially the part about brewing outside and less to clean up. It also looks like a cheaper way to get in to a all grain setup.
Time for my $0.02c worth.
I remember a very late night conversation with Pat ages ago, when he was experimenting with brewing in a bag. He was wrapped at how something so simple using gear so cheap, could make such good beer. He'd been posting regarding his findings and had received his fair share of adverse comments from the AG community. Recognised first and foremost that brewing in a bag produced good beer, Pat was a little concerned/upset by some of the negative responses. I suggested that he continue to test the system himself to see what downsides there might be and to gain experience brewing in a bag to the point where he could rebut the "nay sayers" with facts.
So brewing using a lauter bag HAD been done before! Well, what Pat saw was a SYSTEM using easily accessible and inexpensive equipment, a "Not So Scary - All Grain Home Brewing System". He knew that the system could enable many more hopefulls to become mash brewers almost overnight, something that has been proven correct. Pat, continued on after the introduction by involving some early converts in the production of all sorts of support material for the system. Pat and other system pioneers all deserve accolades for what Biab has become.
Must admit I had my doubts about the successes being claimed, but the Biab Brigade have the runs on the board now and I guess I must concede. The system is so very popular, and most importantly, has introduced mash brewing to many more home brewers. MORE BETTER BEER!!
Those who know Pat recognise that he loves to teach, and BIAB was going to be his teaching vehicle. Am prepared to bet he has spent many hours on the keyboard or telephone providing help and encouragement to many Biab Brewers.
That late night telephone conversation would not have been the only occasion when Pat was encouraged to push on and launch BIAB to AHB but am happy that I was able to play such a very very minor part.
Pat, remember me calling it Bi-Ab that night? leave the money on the fridge mate, my congratulations go to you, no matter who posted it in the states.
Might take a few AHB'ers to join the yankee forum and post some accolades to Pat.
I remember a very late night conversation with Pat ages ago, when he was experimenting with brewing in a bag. He was wrapped at how something so simple using gear so cheap, could make such good beer. He'd been posting regarding his findings and had received his fair share of adverse comments from the AG community. Recognised first and foremost that brewing in a bag produced good beer, Pat was a little concerned/upset by some of the negative responses. I suggested that he continue to test the system himself to see what downsides there might be and to gain experience brewing in a bag to the point where he could rebut the "nay sayers" with facts.
So brewing using a lauter bag HAD been done before! Well, what Pat saw was a SYSTEM using easily accessible and inexpensive equipment, a "Not So Scary - All Grain Home Brewing System". He knew that the system could enable many more hopefulls to become mash brewers almost overnight, something that has been proven correct. Pat, continued on after the introduction by involving some early converts in the production of all sorts of support material for the system. Pat and other system pioneers all deserve accolades for what Biab has become.
Must admit I had my doubts about the successes being claimed, but the Biab Brigade have the runs on the board now and I guess I must concede. The system is so very popular, and most importantly, has introduced mash brewing to many more home brewers. MORE BETTER BEER!!
Those who know Pat recognise that he loves to teach, and BIAB was going to be his teaching vehicle. Am prepared to bet he has spent many hours on the keyboard or telephone providing help and encouragement to many Biab Brewers.
That late night telephone conversation would not have been the only occasion when Pat was encouraged to push on and launch BIAB to AHB but am happy that I was able to play such a very very minor part.
Pat, remember me calling it Bi-Ab that night? leave the money on the fridge mate, my congratulations go to you, no matter who posted it in the states.
Might take a few AHB'ers to join the yankee forum and post some accolades to Pat.
Wortgames
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WELL DONE to everyone involved in refining the concept.
I honestly don't think I read any of the original thread. It snowballed into a monster pretty quickly and I was confident I would get the general vibe sooner or later, and as I've got AG gear it didn't relate to me all that specifically anyway.
But I can totally see how this should be the starting point for anyone venturing into AG for the first time, without question. Minimal setup costs, and if you like the results and want to get more complex you can add to your brewery as time and budget permits. I think this will have other benefits too - people will be able to 'grow into' full-blown AG with a much better idea of why they need a certain piece of equipment or what it is they are trying to achieve. If you understand BIAB then you understand the brewing process - the rest is just fiddling around the edges.
It may have been done before, but I don't believe it has ever been tested to this level, or it would be in every home brewing book.
Even without reading the original thread, I am in no doubt that Pat had an awful lot to do with it. He is tireless if nothing else in trying to get to the bottom of something. I remember one of his first posts I read was something about showering with his brewery. This is not a guy who lets an idea go without a fight, and that's a good thing.
I also think that ThirstyBoy did an excellent job of explaining it in the Brewing Network post. In fact, that has been my one and only introduction to the process and I get it well enough to talk somebody else through it. He explained it well, included photos, links, what the naysayers say and why they're probably wrong. Good effort. I don't think he stole anyone's thunder, he certainly didn't claim credit for the 'innovation', and as others have said anyone following his links and reading the story will soon understand who did what.
So it's a bit disappointing to see some negativity in this thread. Surely it's all good?! The Aussies have presented the yanks with a pretty impressive (and I'd suggest significant) innovation in the world of home brewing, well tested and with most of the bugs ironed out. As much as I hate the 'default' absorption of American culture I believe that they have certainly been the dominant force in the homebrew scene - they developed 'home craft brewing' as a modern sport before the Aussies or the Brits had even heard of smackpacks after all. So it feels kind of satisfying to give them some Aussie 'bush' ingenuity in return, especially when it potentially opens the hobby up to all without needing so much bling before you can even dough in. Kind of like saying 'hey we love all the gadgets you guys use, but have you thought of doing this'.
Good work all round I say.
(and as for Bub's post, I think he was just trying to be funny and get a cheap shot in after Thirsty said he'd let his guard down. Sloppy punctuation makes it look a lot more aggressive. Why is everyone so antsy lately? Is it a full moon or has somebody just been slipping chamomile into my tea? Relax, don't worry, have a homebrew, before somebody breaks a glass).
I honestly don't think I read any of the original thread. It snowballed into a monster pretty quickly and I was confident I would get the general vibe sooner or later, and as I've got AG gear it didn't relate to me all that specifically anyway.
But I can totally see how this should be the starting point for anyone venturing into AG for the first time, without question. Minimal setup costs, and if you like the results and want to get more complex you can add to your brewery as time and budget permits. I think this will have other benefits too - people will be able to 'grow into' full-blown AG with a much better idea of why they need a certain piece of equipment or what it is they are trying to achieve. If you understand BIAB then you understand the brewing process - the rest is just fiddling around the edges.
It may have been done before, but I don't believe it has ever been tested to this level, or it would be in every home brewing book.
Even without reading the original thread, I am in no doubt that Pat had an awful lot to do with it. He is tireless if nothing else in trying to get to the bottom of something. I remember one of his first posts I read was something about showering with his brewery. This is not a guy who lets an idea go without a fight, and that's a good thing.
I also think that ThirstyBoy did an excellent job of explaining it in the Brewing Network post. In fact, that has been my one and only introduction to the process and I get it well enough to talk somebody else through it. He explained it well, included photos, links, what the naysayers say and why they're probably wrong. Good effort. I don't think he stole anyone's thunder, he certainly didn't claim credit for the 'innovation', and as others have said anyone following his links and reading the story will soon understand who did what.
So it's a bit disappointing to see some negativity in this thread. Surely it's all good?! The Aussies have presented the yanks with a pretty impressive (and I'd suggest significant) innovation in the world of home brewing, well tested and with most of the bugs ironed out. As much as I hate the 'default' absorption of American culture I believe that they have certainly been the dominant force in the homebrew scene - they developed 'home craft brewing' as a modern sport before the Aussies or the Brits had even heard of smackpacks after all. So it feels kind of satisfying to give them some Aussie 'bush' ingenuity in return, especially when it potentially opens the hobby up to all without needing so much bling before you can even dough in. Kind of like saying 'hey we love all the gadgets you guys use, but have you thought of doing this'.
Good work all round I say.
(and as for Bub's post, I think he was just trying to be funny and get a cheap shot in after Thirsty said he'd let his guard down. Sloppy punctuation makes it look a lot more aggressive. Why is everyone so antsy lately? Is it a full moon or has somebody just been slipping chamomile into my tea? Relax, don't worry, have a homebrew, before somebody breaks a glass).
Yep, congrats to Pat for his championing of the cause! And all others who forged ahead despite the negativity.
At the rate that AG brewing is growing across OZ, there are soon going to be many a LHBS owner groaning that their goop sales are dwindling and they will have to start getting in other stuff that makes real beer!
All the better I say!...
At the rate that AG brewing is growing across OZ, there are soon going to be many a LHBS owner groaning that their goop sales are dwindling and they will have to start getting in other stuff that makes real beer!
All the better I say!...
