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Brewed with both,and they both throw a s#*t load of diacetyll early on in conditioning. Same, different or just a seeded bottling strain that behaves differently with higher alc %ages. Heaps of banana above 18c. I'm with Darren on the bottling strain theory these days :ph34r:

Hallertau(bitter/flava 10 min) Cascade/centenial(aroma 5min,f/out) Top combo,IMHO

That would xplain why its such a crappy rhyme then. Almost as bad as aussie hip hop :lol:

The one I've got in primary has Glacier(lo cohumulone) @ 60 min, with centennial for flava and aroma,lemon and grapefruit yum!

Thats acetobacter, read here for info.Vinegar flys are a source as well as airborne.

what are they charging for a schooey $$$ wise ?

micro/boutique :lol: (yeah right),small scale commercial for the first 2 and as for coopers :rolleyes:

Step,decoction, or single infusion mash?

Baseline minimum> It has to be digital and it has to be 1 gram increments for hop measurement,otherwise you are wasting your money.

If you want to impress your friends with green fruity twangy beer that puts em off HB for life then go for it!

14 days in primary is fine! As long as you realise you will never brew anything like the above beers with kits you will be fine.

says a lot about the search function,when not even a mod can use it succesfully!

hopped up extract brews with ale yeasts always smell fruity when green.Bottle and leave for 6 weeks. You will never achieve that clean dry commercial finish with extracts.Learn to enjoy the extra body or go AG!

7.5 litres on average

After 8 odd years of brewing,progressing from K'n"k, to xtract to AG I recently did a "Coles" lager. Why ?,I hear you ask. 2 things happened simultaneously,I received some slurry from a micro(1968) and a thread started on dispensing from a cube. 2 AG brews were Planned for the 1968 so i put...

Yeah it was on my mind as I've done a 100% wheat,but it was a bit shallow IMO. I am toying with the idea of doing another though and entering it into saabsosa 07 for feedback. Went for the British ale instead.Interesting to see the lagerphiles coming out of the woodwork though. If nothing else...

Maris Otter and Willamette.Pure and simple pommy Bitter.

Here is some info I dug up that should muddy the waters even more. " These findings substantiate the notion that S. carlsbergensis is a hybrid between S. cerevisiae and S. monacensis"

Bloody Hell....Now I'm F'ing dizzy and nauseus.

Whilst on the topic of Drugs.Here is an interesting weed,er i mean read about hemp and ale.