Ok an update on M84, Took FOREVER to start ~6 Days, Gravity went down to 1022 so upped the temp to 16 for a d rest. 3 days at d rest only down to 1020 and no activity. I reckon the yeast has stalled (FFT went down to 1014).
Tastes clean, just a little too sweet. My problem is I kind of want it...