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That's sort of the point I was making , the more manky it is the better. Ruminants get the energy from the bacteria and fungus the more the better.

I was talking to a farmer from out west NSW who says they are even using waste from lolly factories to feed their stock. Anything with energy in it . Spent grain is really useful not so much for any sugars that may be left but the rotting grain produces a massive biomass that ruminants can...

Where abouts are you ? There are a few Home Brew shops that have it. I have over 40 kgs at the moment.

I have one of these SS 400 micron baskets to sell. It has a 25 L Vol ie do 6 or 7 kg easy , probably up to 8 kg of grain. Fits in a 40 L urn. Asking $ 75 as it has been used but nothing wrong with it.

First up , Thanks Hairydog. Yeah I've been through the process. I think there is a size limit to them in working to there best , the 40 urn is great. I was looking at doing a bigger one but I got screwed around by the suppliers overseas. If you try now you will have GST plus there can be hidden...

From reading, all these yeasts are actually blends of a number of strains . But they work in a symbiotic way, I don't know how yeast starters would work with this ? if they work out some sort of equilibrium ? Interesting. I have read some have bacteria which I don't know if it is contamination...

From what I've heard it can be polarizing ie some people love it and others wouldn't use it again. Be interested how you find it.

Any fruit or spice flavours etc...?

Bonjour Adibou , from what I have heard there is a jump in the number of breweries in France. Can you give us a desription of the craft beer scene there?

They probably had such a small margin it wasn't worth the effort. When Barleyman closed up he crunched the numbers and worked out he hadn't made anything , pretty much came out even.

I'm looking at WLP073 Artisanal Country Ale yeast and WLP059 sounds good also.

I know there is going to be a White Labs executive In Sydney in the coming days. Could be a good time to let them know what we think.

Why don't we use our bulk buying power to release some yeasts from the Vault ? I haven't bought direct from White Labs , for those that have , what do you think ? What are your thoughts ? Even if a supplier took a cut it would be worth it to have some released that we don't see in Australia.

They don't look that big. I get metal pails for free. A sack of grain fills 2.

On their way to you.

Ok , checking shipping cost at the moment

Still have the tubes

Your not alone , there has been an issue with them.

What region are you in as there are many great clubs around to help you ? Lots of reading or watch youtube to get all the bases covered. If there are things to remember in all this is Sanitation is critical , temperature control (in mashing steps / sparge temp , fermentation and storage of hops...