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Thanks for all the tips, I'm thinking of trying the esb 3 kilo but my LHBS is in Rockhampton, 260 km away, so I'll probably have to mail order it. Also i've heard coopers have stopped making their bavarian lager kits.

Hey everyone Never tried a bock before, and living in a small Queensland town the bottleshop range is a bit limited. So I thought I'd have a crack making one. I'm looking for a good kit and/or extract bock or doppelbock recipe. Thanks Tim