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I agree, just did a cascade recently and it took a couple of days to get going, worked out Ok in the end, that was at room temp, about 17 to 18 C.

Thanks for the tips guys, I'll give it a go on the weekend, Beer.

I wouldn't mind doing a kolsch , anyone got ideas on a suitable one?

Isn't home brewing about cheap beer that you enjoy drinking, who cares what your personal taste is as long as you like it and enjoy the proccess. I've been brewing for about 12 years now and really don't get right into all the nitty gritty, but appreciate the info I get from this forum, but...