Which cleaner and sanitizer?

[stehowardtlr]

Just started brewing some kit n kilo stuff. I'm wondering what stuff to use for cleaning and sanitizing. I've got a couple of sachet's that you get when starting up but they are expensive to buy a few. Want to know what to use and where to buy from.
Cheers Steve.

 

[barls]

i use pure sodium percarbonate and sodium metasilicate for cleaning, and starsan for my sanitizer. ive been on the same bottle for over 7 years now.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

The cheapest non scented nappi-san you can find. The Aldi one is popular. The beast cheapest cleaner you can get.

 

[mr_wibble]

Someone told me that pure sodium per-carbonate from the LHBS is cheaper than napi-san ?
I'll have to compare the amount of active ingredient.

But I do what Barls said.

 

[Yob]

Buy sodium perc x 25kg bag

Starsan x the 1l

Job done

 

[Coalminer]

i use pure sodium percarbonate and sodium metasilicate for cleaning, and starsan for my sanitizer. ive been on the same bottle for over 7 years now.

Barls
What is the generally accepted ratio for sodium percarbonate and sodium metasilicate?

 

[Crypto]

Can you just use sodium perc to clean fermenter and bottles then starsan to sanitize ?

 

[barls]

ok i use a 2;1 ratio of sodium percab to meta silicate. then depending on what im doing depends on the dosage.

 

[Coalminer]

OK thanks for that info

 

[menoetes]

+1 to cheap napisan for cleaning and starsan (or similar) for sanitizing. Starsan is quicker and more effective than sodium metasilicate too IMHO.

 

[seehuusen]

isn't napisan a brand? what's the Aldi version you guys refer to called?

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Disan

 

[seehuusen]

thanks mate

 

[Dazzbrew]

I have been using iodophos to clean and sterilize my fermenter and bottles etc. Am i doing the right thing, is it actually meant to be just a cleaning fluid or can it be used as a sterilizer also?

 

[stehowardtlr]

Just been to aldi and bought some napisan. There is 2 available. I got the one with oxy action. Is this ok?

 

[manson81]

I use the blue and white label one from Aldi. Think the last one I got was on special for 2 fiddy a kilo.

I think a few people might use the oxy one?

 

[peaky]

Can you just use sodium perc to clean fermenter and bottles then starsan to sanitize ?

Yes, I used to use jerry can fermenters that you can't get a brush or cloth into to give them a clean. Tip in half a cap of sodium perc, fill the fermenter up with water, give it a good shake and leave it to soak for a day. All the crap would rinse straight out and they'd be sparkling clean inside. Then sanitise with Starsan.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

I have been using iodophos to clean and sterilize my fermenter and bottles etc. Am i doing the right thing, is it actually meant to be just a cleaning fluid or can it be used as a sterilizer also?

Idophos is a sanitiser. Not a cleaner.

 

[Dazzbrew]

Sanitiser, thanks. If only it was no rinse. I might look in starsan for convenience.

 

[Dazzbrew]

does anyone know if Iodophor and Iodophos is the same thing?

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Pretty much.

 

[HBHB]

Starsan is quicker and more effective than sodium metasilicate too IMHO.

Sanitiser (Starsan) Vs Cleaner (metasilicate)?

 

[Moad]

Yes, I used to use jerry can fermenters that you can't get a brush or cloth into to give them a clean. Tip in half a cap of sodium perc, fill the fermenter up with water, give it a good shake and leave it to soak for a day. All the crap would rinse straight out and they'd be sparkling clean inside. Then sanitise with Starsan.

Exactly what I do with the jerrys, never been anything left after a day.

+1 for sodium perc to clean, star san to sanitize. Up until about 2 months ago I only used sodium perc, rinsed well and never had an infection. StarSan is cheap though so it is good insurance.

 

[Blind Dog]

[SIZE=medium]If you can afford it, PBW is the dogs b******s for cleaning, but it is expensive.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium][/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]I others use sodium percarbonate / unscented napisan for cleaning depending on what is most convenient,as many other do. I’ve only found 1 Sydney LHBS that stocks pure sodium percarbonate so far. I think Beerbelly was the cheapest I’ve found online (about $5 a kg), but shipping costs quickly mount up.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium][/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Some mix sodium percarbonate with something else to approximate PBW. I’ve read the threads here and elsewhere on it, but haven’t yet had any dirt I can’t shift with a soak or 2 in sodium percarbonate.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium][/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Phosphoric Acid sanitizer has the same active ingredients as Starsan and is often around ½ the price. But you don’t need to use a lot so the saving might not be that great over a year or so[/SIZE]

 

[menoetes]

Sanitiser (Starsan) Vs Cleaner (metasilicate)?

Sorry, I meant Sodium Metabisulfite. That'll teach me to read posts properly before contributing :blink:

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Sodium metabisulfite should be banned and all refferences of it taken from the interwebs

 

[HBHB]

Sodium metabisulfite should be banned and all refferences of it taken from the interwebs

Has it's place in winemaking, fresh ciders and meads, but sheesh - give yourselves a chance to make decent beer and go with something better.

Acid based sanitisers FTW.

 

[Dazzbrew]

Pretty much.

thanks mate.