what's the most time efficient AG method?
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manticle
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Probably biab or braumeister, no chill, grain pre cracked by hbs.
Or fresh wort kit. AG wort produced by a third party.
Or fresh wort kit. AG wort produced by a third party.
fishingbrad
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You would have to take washing up / cleaning into account, so like Manticle said- Fresh wort kit (no washing up)
I was a 10 year 3v brewer. Loved it.
I tried BIAB and got rid of all my gear. Less steps, less cleaning. A little quicker, but just seems like a lot less steps. Beers are great, step mashing is easier, less space taken up.
All I can think of right now off the top of my head
I tried BIAB and got rid of all my gear. Less steps, less cleaning. A little quicker, but just seems like a lot less steps. Beers are great, step mashing is easier, less space taken up.
All I can think of right now off the top of my head
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depends whether you measure time as the time from start to cleanup, or your actual involvement. The simpler the system, the less there is to set up at the start and then clean and put away at the end. Other than that, I don't think your system is going to make a great deal of difference on the actual time taken as even in a BM, a 60 minute mash step or boil still takes 60 minutes. Improved heating power may save time ramping up temps.
Clearly the more automated / hands off your system us, the more time you have whilst brewing to do all the other stuff you love to do (or in reality the chores on SWMBOs list). Personally, I often split a brew across 2 days leaving it in the BM at mashout overnight (even for close to 24hrs more than once) and starting the boil the next. Not exactly time saving, but means I can squeeze in brews
Clearly the more automated / hands off your system us, the more time you have whilst brewing to do all the other stuff you love to do (or in reality the chores on SWMBOs list). Personally, I often split a brew across 2 days leaving it in the BM at mashout overnight (even for close to 24hrs more than once) and starting the boil the next. Not exactly time saving, but means I can squeeze in brews
The advantage of full volume BIAB is that there is no sparge step and,being single vessel there is less cleanup.
everything apart from the boiler can be cleaned up during the boil.
Using an over the side element to boost ramp times I'm usually looking at 4 hours including milling and cleanup.
everything apart from the boiler can be cleaned up during the boil.
Using an over the side element to boost ramp times I'm usually looking at 4 hours including milling and cleanup.
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I agree with a lot of the above. I think the quickest from start to clean up would be:
- Buy grain already crushed by the HBS
- Single vessel
- Full volume mash (no sparge)
- Lots of heating power
- No chill
- Buy grain already crushed by the HBS
- Single vessel
- Full volume mash (no sparge)
- Lots of heating power
- No chill
GalBrew
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BIAB is a hell of a lot faster than 3v. With very little clean up.
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Small batch size, lots of power and insulation? RIMS (with an element) would help too.
The no chill thing... Um... Obviously depends on which points you measure your time, but that is sort of robbing Peter to pay Paul as you can chill in the same time it takes to transfer and pitch a lot quicker if you actually do this whole (finger quotes) "chi-ill" thing that people are so afraid of.
The no chill thing... Um... Obviously depends on which points you measure your time, but that is sort of robbing Peter to pay Paul as you can chill in the same time it takes to transfer and pitch a lot quicker if you actually do this whole (finger quotes) "chi-ill" thing that people are so afraid of.
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unlimited budget but limited time would be braumiester, purely on the fact, you can set and forget, though one of the pico brew systems also does your hop additions too. I note there are a few brauclones that have added an automated hop droping system.
so brew day could be as simple as:
1 fill unit with water
2 fill unit with grain
3 fill unit with hop additions
4 setup schedual
5 press start
6 chill
7 fill fermenter
Maybe 20minutes of your time
and maybe another15-20 clean up
so brew day could be as simple as:
1 fill unit with water
2 fill unit with grain
3 fill unit with hop additions
4 setup schedual
5 press start
6 chill
7 fill fermenter
Maybe 20minutes of your time
and maybe another15-20 clean up
GalBrew
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As someone who does both, that is not true. No chilling is much faster, it takes what 2 minutes to fill a cube and then you are done (until you decide to pitch). If you are time poor, chilling and pitching on the same day can be a deal breaker. Not to mention the extra clean up from chilling that must be taken into account.Adr_0 said:
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clean up chill vs nochill is the same really, in each case one piece of equipment to clean, in actual fact the cube also needs sanitising, most chiller's santise during the boil with boiling wort and clean up is simply diverting cleaning solution whilst cleaning the kettle.GalBrew said:
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Well, in the context of the original post, it really comes down to power and no-chilling isn't as powerful as high surface area iced water chilling.GalBrew said:
If you consider ease of use and time to pitch isn't of concern it would be a different story...
GalBrew
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If you are going purely on time efficiency no chill is faster. It takes literally 1 minute to sanitise a cube with starsan. To chill I have to prepare the chiller, hook up the hose, chill the wort, and clean the chiller. Not to mention the fact that you are then compelled to pitch the yeast immediately. I am not saying no chill is better (it is a trade off for me, but allows me to brew more often, hoppy beers nonwithstanding) but it is faster. If you take the same time to no-chill as chill then either you are a very fast chiller or a very slow no-chiller.
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If you want fully automated brewing, if the Brewie lives up to its kickstarter promises, then you get pitchable wort with your input being just adding the water and ingredients at the start and pressing a button. Its even supposed to clean up after itself. Wouldn't need an unlimited budget either. It does seem a little too much like brewign by remote control for my tastes
Markbeer
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I am not sure if I am taking this OT, i see it differently.
The thread title says time efficient not quickest. With an unlimited budget.
On a home brew scale, I would say a system that produces large batch size, or several batches at once.
Examples would include a 150 litre 3V or several biab systems side by side.
If money was no object contract out to 1000l microbrew and fill 40 cubes for a days work.
The thread title says time efficient not quickest. With an unlimited budget.
On a home brew scale, I would say a system that produces large batch size, or several batches at once.
Examples would include a 150 litre 3V or several biab systems side by side.
If money was no object contract out to 1000l microbrew and fill 40 cubes for a days work.
