Sukumaran and Chan

[HBHB]

I can understand why this is on everyone's minds. I mean it's all over the Internet news, TV, radios, newspapers and social media. What I can't understand is why are these 2 so special?

Indonesian troops and police have shot, hacked to death, hanged, skewered and dragged around villages tied to vehicles, burned alive and mutilated - a half million yup, 500,000 non drug running, innocent men, women and children on our doorstep in West Papua over recent years.

Why isn't anyone interested in them?

Why isn't someone shedding a tear for them?

Why isn't the media turning that into a **** storm?

 

[Camo6]

I can understand why this is on everyone's minds. I mean it's all over the Internet news, TV, radios, newspapers and social media. What I can't understand is why are these 2 so special?

Sounds like you've answered your own question.

 

[_HOME_BREW_WALLACE_]

I can understand why this is on everyone's minds. I mean it's all over the Internet news, TV, radios, newspapers and social media. What I can't understand is why are these 2 so special?

Indonesian troops and police have shot, hacked to death, hanged, skewered and dragged around villages tied to vehicles, burned alive and mutilated - a half million yup, 500,000 non drug running, innocent men, women and children on our doorstep in West Papua over recent years.

Why isn't anyone interested in them?

Why isn't someone shedding a tear for them?

Why isn't the media turning that into a **** storm?

You mean rapists, murderers and peadophiles? they deserve to die aswell!

 

[spog]

Yeah well, you don't strap 9kg of heroin to your body and go casually walking thru airports with big signs saying Drugs = Death

I have no sympathy. They knew the risks. And the risk was being shot by firing squad if caught.

And post number 3 puts the whole topic/subject into honest perspective .....law.

 

[Liam_snorkel]

 

[MartinOC]

Geez, Guys! This thread has almost (ALMOST....!) distracted me away from THE most important thing happening today.. It's THE BLOCK auction tonight!

Get with the program, people!!

Don't forget to Twit-Face-Space-Book your arses-off in order to get your comment on TV!

After all, fame only lasts 15 minutes...

 

[_HOME_BREW_WALLACE_]

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where's the fun in that???

 

[jlm]

I'm not racist, but...

Yeah, Australians **** me too.

Remember when they shot that Amrozi cnut? I'd wager half of my wang that the majority of the "Shoot the druggy bastards" crew would've been all "Don't shoot the bastard......Its what he wants....Let him rot" at the time.

 

[Eagleburger]

Maybe if TA gave Indo 600mil per month he could have changed Joko's mind. Why 600mil you say? To pay welfare to all the parents that lost a sponsor of their old age. Welfare for the kids that will grow up without a parent to provide all those things a parent does( I could go into great detail).Treatment for the addicts themselves. Indo isnt a country full of rich tax payers like Australia. It doesnt have welfare like civilised countries like Australia. Thank goodness we are all keen to pay for such things.

So how about, who is ready to give extra? "Put your money where your mouth is"

My personal opinion, the death penalty is the only punishment that is not soft.

 

[slcmorro]

After doing nothing for almost 10 years, keyboard warriors have now taken to social media to condemn Indonesia’s executions of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran.
“I’ve always been against the death penalty,” one self-righteous Facebook user stated. “Sure, I didn’t go out and protest or actually do anything to prevent their deaths, but I just posted a generic status about how capital punishment is barbaric, so I feel like a good person.”

The Facebook user revealed that his status would almost certainly change Indonesia’s stance on the death penalty. “I could have written a letter to the Indonesian government or taken to the streets to publicly express my outrage, but that would have required me actually doing something,” he explained. “Besides, my status got 20 ‘likes’, so I’m basically a freedom fighter anyway.”

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

If it wasnt for the media making something out of it and whipping up a frenzy then no one would care. What is it with the media that can turn 2 convicted ( busted red handed ) criminals into hero's. Look at Shappell Corby...no one would have given a **** if the media couldn't see some ratings in it

Its only slightly ****** up that we turn criminals into hero's for the sake of some fame and ratings.

 

[manticle]

Heroes mate. I can understand most of the perspectives thus far offered but I won't stand for the death of the apostrophe.

 

[spog]

Geez, Guys! This thread has almost (ALMOST....!) distracted me away from THE most important thing happening today.. It's THE BLOCK auction tonight!

Get with the program, people!!

Don't forget to Twit-Face-Space-Book your arses-off in order to get your comment on TV!

After all, fame only lasts 15 minutes...

The Block auction tonight ? Ahh,as bad as all the coverage of this topic. Of which I have participated in.

 

[meathead]

My beer has been fermenting for 4 hours and there are no bubbles is my brew ruined?

 

[Dave70]

If it wasnt for the media making something out of it and whipping up a frenzy then no one would care. What is it with the media that can turn 2 convicted ( busted red handed ) criminals into hero's. Look at Shappell Corby...no one would have given a **** if the media couldn't see some ratings in it

Its only slightly ****** up that we turn criminals into hero's for the sake of some fame and ratings.

In the end, its art that suffers most..

My beer has been fermenting for 4 hours and there are no bubbles is my brew ruined?

Draw off a small portion into a pyrex bowl, place it in plain sight of the fermenter and boil it.
This should send a clear message to the remaining yeast that slacking off will not be tolerated.

 

[mje1980]

If it wasnt for the media making something out of it and whipping up a frenzy then no one would care. What is it with the media that can turn 2 convicted ( busted red handed ) criminals into hero's. Look at Shappell Corby...no one would have given a **** if the media couldn't see some ratings in it

Its only slightly ****** up that we turn criminals into hero's for the sake of some fame and ratings.

I wonder if the media hadn't kept the story in the headlines for so long if they may have ended up getting a life sentence ( which may have been reduced over time ).

It's almost as if the constant media attention forced the hand of the indos.

Probably not but I dunno.


Tragic all round really.

 

[tavas]

I wonder if the media hadn't kept the story in the headlines for so long if they may have ended up getting a life sentence ( which may have been reduced over time ).

It's almost as if the constant media attention forced the hand of the indos.

Probably not but I dunno.


Tragic all round really.

I tend to agree. The Indonesian Govt won't want to lose face. If no one had said anything, Australia may have been able to negotiate life or extradition, but with the media frenzy and Social Media Rent a Crowd keeping it alive, there was never a chance.

 

[malt and barley blues]

Why bother having any news at all, its usually bad anyway.

 

[malt and barley blues]

I dont get why so many people are defending the "poor junkies" that may have died from the smack that was entering the country. There is more than enough education in this country on the effects and addiction of drugs. It is all about life choices.

Brad sums it up nicely, no one forces the junkies to start taking drugs, they know the risks just as the Bali 9 knew the risks,being young and stupid they all think they can get away with it, if there wasn't any junkies there wouldn't be pushers or mules.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Heroes mate. I can understand most of the perspectives thus far offered but I won't stand for the death of the apostrophe.

Sorr'y

 

[tavas]

Anyway, this is all Axl's fault. Teach him for being late:
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/axl_rose_writes_letter_to_indonesian_president_to_stop_executions_is_late.html

 

[Black Devil Dog]

Is that for real? Kinda funny if it is.

 

[manticle]

Sorr'y

S'OK

 

[Dave70]

Anyway, this is all Axl's fault. Teach him for being late:
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/axl_rose_writes_letter_to_indonesian_president_to_stop_executions_is_late.html

Fair to say someone with the lyrical stylings of Rose may not be best man to have in your corner anyway.

From 'One in a million' GNR.
Police and *******, that's right
Get out of my way
Don't need to buy none of your
Gold chains today
I don't need no bracelets
Clamped in front of my back
Just need my ticket; 'til then
Won't you cut me some slack?

Immigrants and *******
They make no sense to me
They come to our country
And think they'll do as they please
Like start some mini Iran,
Or spread some ******' disease
They talk so many ******* ways
It's all Greek to me
Well some say I'm lazy
And others say that's just me
Some say I'm crazy
I guess I'll always be
But it's been such a long time
Since I knew right from wrong
It's all the means to an end, I
I keep it movin' along

 

[Dave70]

Anyway, threats and sobbing slactivist e mails aren't the way to the mans heart.
Next time, put Kylie in a wig and send her over.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH3oOVKt0WI

 

[wereprawn]

Other G'n'R lyrics that come to mind...

"Daddy works in porno, now that Mommy's not around.

She used to love her heroin, but now she's underground".

 

[mckenry]

Fair to say someone with the lyrical stylings of Rose may not be best man to have in your corner anyway.

From 'One in a million' GNR.
Police and *******, that's right
Get out of my way
Don't need to buy none of your
Gold chains today
I don't need no bracelets
Clamped in front of my back
Just need my ticket; 'til then
Won't you cut me some slack?

Immigrants and *******
They make no sense to me
They come to our country
And think they'll do as they please
Like start some mini Iran,
Or spread some ******' disease
They talk so many ******* ways
It's all Greek to me
Well some say I'm lazy
And others say that's just me
Some say I'm crazy
I guess I'll always be
But it's been such a long time
Since I knew right from wrong
It's all the means to an end, I
I keep it movin' along

Haha - Dont forget Dave, he goes on to say "Radicals and racists, dont point your finger at me. I'm just a small town white boy, trying to make ends meet"

 

[Dave70]

Guess its not fair to single him out, it is after all 'art', and Tarantino has basically used the N word as a punctuation mark in his work since 92.
But **** him.
Angry little tanty throwing prick who uses the women in his life as punching bags.
Saw GNR at Eastern Creek Raceway back in 93 with an ex-girlfriend. They sucked. The whole beer-less, overpriced bottled water day sucked.

 

[yankinoz]

I would not have raised this question on a beer site, but since someone else has . . .

Besides whether the death penalty is ever justified, or justified in drug cases, or what rights you surrender in other countries' jurisdiction, there is another issue in the case of the Bali 9 (not just 2 Australians), namely the way Indonesia applies the death penalty. The ABC has just published a very good review of bias against foreigners in Indonesian sentencing: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-27/mcdonald-death-for-outsiders-but-leniency-for-locals/6423682

There was one Indonesian in the Nine, and reportedly he made important enemies back in Sumatra.

On the issue of whether judges offered to take bribes in the Chan/Sukamaran cases, the Indonesian Supreme Court has that under review post-execution, after ruling the outcome had no bearing on whether those two would be executed. Really? That tells you much about their mindset.

Indonesia claims it has a runaway drug problem. Their solution is to to apply more of what obviously hasn't been working, but to apply it mostly to foreigners who presumably are not the ones dealing in the street anyway. This, by the way, from a government that profits from the sale of cigarettes to children as young as two.

For Indonesia to announce the execution on ANZAC Day is bad diplomatic manners at the least. Make no mistake: the timing was deliberate. Widodo is pandering to anti-foreigner sentiments rising in Indonesia.

I have had contrasting perspectives on Indonesia. Teaching in PNG, most of my students expressed fear of Indonesian invasion, and I talked to soldiers who'd fought the Indonesian army along the shared boundary. But I have also spent time in Indonesia, not drinking in Bali, but in Bandung and the Javanese countryside. The hospitality was warm and wonderful.

Despite those good memories, and though I know there are Indonesians working for reform, as things stand I won't go back.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

For Indonesia to announce the execution on ANZAC Day is bad diplomatic manners at the least. Make no mistake: the timing was deliberate. Widodo is pandering to anti-foreigner sentiments rising in Indonesia.

Abbott is pandering to anti-foreigner sentiments rising in Australia.


Its just politics...they are all guilty of it, regardless of country...etc...etc