Got to Agree with Darren on this...Darren said:Linz, I agree that the BJCP are far more comprehensive. I bet though there will be some discrepancy in some classes between the BJCP and the AABC. I just think it is best that we are all judging against the same measuring stick!
Linz - the BJCP styleguidelines of course cater to American styles and ignore our part of the world but I would like to see evidence that they americanised international styles. I am not counting the case where they add say "american IPA" because the orginal is still there.Linz said:So where does one go to do a course on judging and certification of AABA guidelines?
I know my beer will be judged in a competion that will attract recognised/certified people that have some training in beer judging if its a BJCP comp, but a AABA comp.. it could be old Fred from the far end of the oxford tavern bar....or from one of those HBS we have all bitched about...
Bugger the fact that SOME of the styles are leaned toward Yank styles, thats a poor excuse. Easy, Dont brew it! Brewing is about what you put in to your beer, not how you brew it
Without real definition Beer is just Beer to joe public...look at wine, everyone knows the diff tween Charrdy and reisling..most dont know the diff tween porter and stout, let alone Ale and Lager
The milk crate is creaking, time to hop off
Darren said:Linz, I agree that the BJCP are far more comprehensive. I bet though there will be some discrepancy in some classes between the BJCP and the AABC.
> Well have a look at the Category link and you will see that all AABC styles are accounted for as are all BJCP Styles. Refer to the detail, you will find that there are no holes this year. The devil is in the detail.
This is a first from the previous years where there have been glaring holes in the exception of a number of styles, including the internationalist 'Blonde' Ale style.
I just think it is best that we are all judging against the same measuring stick!
> The BJCP program is about doing this very task. If you trace the AABA guidlines there is little methodology, review process or structure.
The AABA is not an organisation with any functionality or reason. Essentially it is 10~odd guys on email who argue and accomplish little in the way of benefiting Home Brewing or Beer in general. Try it yourself, try and find out 'who' the AABA is, thier charter or thier actual existence.
Arguments aside, the BJCP are a comphrehensive and organised unit. They have practices in place to manage the beast and work to please alot of folks. The BJCP may be based in the US, and the US has over 1500 Micro's, hence alot of beer is made. At last count just on 70 Aussie Micro's exist and the progress is much different. The BJCP do not seek to represent or subsue any other regions interests, but beleive me they are happy to help out and assist.
Assuming the usual way comp's are run and judge training (ie. zero), the recent BJCP exams and the efforts are a positive not a negative. Its all about education in the end, I hope,