Style Of The Week 22/11/06 - Witbier

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By special request, and following on an interesting thread on the topic this week, we move to Belgium for witbier, style 16A of the BJCP guidelines. The most famous example is obviously Hoegaarden, the beer that revived the style, a great beer for the hot weather.

Some links for more info on and history of the style.
BT article on Witbier
All about beer article
Doc's tips
Another AHB thread on witbier
Brewing Network radio show on witbier
There are also a couple of recipes in the recipe section that look good. :chug:

So what are your experiences with this style? Grains? Hops? Which yeast to use? Any dry yeast? What spices/peels to add? What temperature did you do your fermentation at? Can this style be done by partial mashers? Kit based brewers who've won BoS in this style?

Tell us all you know about this style. :super:

16A. Witbier

Aroma: Moderate sweetness (often with light notes of honey and/or vanilla) with light, grainy, spicy wheat aromatics, often with a bit of tartness. Moderate perfumy coriander, often with a complex herbal, spicy, or peppery note in the background. Moderate zesty, orangey fruitiness. A low spicy-herbal hop aroma is optional, but should never overpower the other characteristics. No diacetyl. Vegetal, celery-like, or ham-like aromas from certain types of spices are inappropriate. Spices should blend in with fruity, floral and sweet aromas and should not be overly strong.

Appearance: Very pale straw to very light gold in color. The beer will be very cloudy from starch haze and/or yeast, which gives it a milky, whitish-yellow appearance. Dense, white, moussy head. Head retention should be quite good.

Flavor: Pleasant sweetness (often with a honey and/or vanilla character) and a zesty, orange-citrusy fruitiness. Refreshingly crisp with a dry, often tart, finish. Can have a low wheat flavor. Optionally has a very light lactic-tasting sourness. Herbal-spicy flavors are common but not overpowering, and can taste moderately of coriander and other spices at a more subtle level. A spicy-earthy hop flavor is low to none, and never gets in the way of the spices. Hop bitterness is low to medium-low (as with a Hefeweizen), and doesn't interfere with refreshing flavors of fruit and spice, nor does it persist into the finish. Bitterness from orange pith should not be present. Vegetal, celery-like, ham-like, or soapy flavors from certain types of spices are inappropriate. No diacetyl.

Mouthfeel: Medium-light to medium body, often having a smoothness and light creaminess from unmalted wheat and the occasional oats. Despite body and creaminess, finishes dry and often a bit tart. Effervescent character from high carbonation. Refreshing, from carbonation, light acidity, and lack of bitterness in finish. No harshness or astringency from orange pith. Should not be overly dry and thin, nor should it be thick and heavy.

Overall Impression: A refreshing, elegant, tasty, moderate-strength wheat-based ale.

History: A 400-year-old beer style that died out in the 1950s; it was later revived by Pierre Celis at Hoegaarden, and has grown steadily in popularity over time.

Comments: The presence, character and degree of spicing and lactic sourness varies. Overly spiced and/or sour beers are not good examples of the style. The beer tends to be fragile and does not age well, so younger, fresher, properly handled examples are most desirable.

Ingredients: About 50% unmalted wheat (traditionally soft white winter wheat) and 50% pale barley malt (usually pils malt) constitute the grist. In some versions, up to 5-10% raw oats may be used. Spices of freshly-ground coriander and Cura̤ao or sometimes sweet orange peel complement the sweet aroma and are quite characteristic. Other spices (e.g., chamomile, cumin, cinnamon, Grains of Paradise) may be used for complexity but are much less prominent. Ale yeast prone to the production of mild, spicy flavors is very characteristic. In some instances a very limited lactic fermentation, or the actual addition of lactic acid, is done.
Vital Statistics:
OG FG IBUs SRM ABV
1.044 - 1.052 1.008 - 1.012 10 - 20 2 - 4 4.5 - 5.5%
An ABV of 5% is most typical

Commercial Examples: Hoegaarden Wit, Vuuve 5, Blanche de Bruges, Blanche de Bruxelles, Brugs Tarwebier, Sterkens White Ale, Celis White (now made in Michigan), Blanche de Brooklyn, Great Lakes Holy Moses, Unibroue Blanche de Chambly, Blue Moon Belgian White
 
OK i'll add my take on the great wit, which i just brewed this Monday.
i mentioned in the previous thread, my troubles with finding the flaked wheat, hence the malted wheat, bourghoul and flour. My next attempt will use less malted wheat with the majority being flaked wheat.

this be it....


Brew Type: All Grain
Date: 20/11/2006
Style: Witbier
Brewer: Dowdy
Batch Size: 25.00 L
Boil Volume: 31.51 L Boil Time: 60 min
Brewhouse Efficiency: 65.0 %
Equipment: KoNG's Brury
Actual Efficiency: 0.0
Taste Rating (50 possible points): 35.0

Ingredients Amount Item Type % or IBU
2000.00 gm Pilsner, Malt Craft Export (Joe White) (3.2 EBC) Grain 35.7 %
2000.00 gm Wheat Malt, Malt Craft (Joe White) (3.5 EBC) Grain 35.7 %
1000.00 gm Bourghoul (3.5 EBC) Grain 17.9 %
500.00 gm Plain Flour (5.9 EBC) Grain 8.9 %
100.00 gm Oats, Malted (2.0 EBC) Grain 1.8 %
14.00 gm Goldings, East Kent [5.20%] (60 min) Hops 8.0 IBU
8.00 gm B Saaz [8.00%] (60 min) Hops 7.7 IBU
5.00 gm B Saaz [8.00%] (15 min) Hops 1.3 IBU
5.00 gm Cascade [6.00%] (15 min) Hops 1.0 IBU
1.00 tbsp Flour (Boil 10.0 min) Misc
14.60 gm Chamomile (Boil 5.0 min) Misc
15.00 gm Coriander Seed (Boil 5.0 min) Misc
15.00 gm Orange Peel, Bitter (Boil 5.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs Belgian Wit II (White Labs #WLP410) Yeast-Ale

Beer Profile Estimated Original Gravity: 1.045 SG (1.044-1.052 SG) Measured Original Gravity: 1.000 SG
Estimated Final Gravity: 1.012 SG (1.008-1.012 SG) Measured Final Gravity: 1.000 SG
Estimated Color: 6.8 EBC (3.9-7.9 EBC) Color [Color]
Bitterness: 17.9 IBU (10.0-20.0 IBU) Alpha Acid Units: 1.1 AAU
Estimated Alcohol by Volume: 4.3 % (4.5-5.5 %) Actual Alcohol by Volume: 0.0 %
Actual Calories: -4 cal/l


Mash Profile Name: Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch Sparge Mash Tun Weight: 3000.00 gm
Mash Grain Weight: 5600.00 gm Mash PH: 5.4 PH
Grain Temperature: 22.2 C Sparge Temperature: 75.6 C
Sparge Water: 0.00 L Adjust Temp for Equipment: FALSE

Name Description Step Temp Step Time
Mash In Add 15.40 L of water at 69.8 C 64.0 C 75 min
Mash Out Add 10.80 L of water at 98.1 C 77.0 C 10 min
Sparge Add 13.76 L of water at 86.2 C 80.0 C 40 min
 
I generally use flaked wheat and next time I'll be tempted to try bourghul and up until now have been happy with previous results.

OTOH last year I was lucky enough to try a version made by Borrett that went the whole hog with raw wheat added to the mash and found the results to be the most authentic thus far.

By all accounts cracking raw wheat is an exercise in patience. Also needs to be treated accordingly in the mash but I still believe the results would be worth it. Unfortunately I'm just too lazy as a brewer to find out. :lol:

Warren -
 
Whats Bourghoul Kong (never eard of it)...and when you say 500gms plain flour, is that just plain ole plain flour used in cooking?
Cheers
Steve
 
Crushed, steamed (precooked) wheat Steve, sometimes also known as Bulgar. Usually used in Middle Eastern dishes such as Tabouleh etc.

Looks a little bit like brown Polenta and you can just toss it straight into the mash. :)

Warren -
 
Whats Bourghoul Kong (never eard of it)...and when you say 500gms plain flour, is that just plain ole plain flour used in cooking?
Cheers
Steve

steve,
the back of the pack says: fine ground, pre steamed wheat.
its used for tabouli i thinks.
as for the flour, i probably should have done more research as it was a last minute thing, but i had read previously that many wit brewers swear by the use of "plain ol" flour.. when brewing the style.


Just quitely i'm a little worried now about the bourghul... only because of Warrens above post. Because the last minute idea to use it came from what i thought was a thread quite some time ago... by yound Warren mentioning he uses Bourghul to good effect, although i may have been mistaken.. :blink:

Edit: repeat info.. Warren has a quick draw.!
 
Crushed, steamed (precooked) wheat Steve, sometimes also known as Bulgar. Usually used in Middle Eastern dishes such as Tabouleh etc.

Looks a little bit like brown Polenta and you can just toss it straight into the mash. :)

Warren -


Thanks Warren.....this is one of the reasons I asked Stu to do the wit as the style of the week....Ive never done one because there are it seems so many different ways and ingredients used (most that ive never heard of) to get a wheat beer? And then theres all the different names for wheat beer :huh: . I find it quite a confusing beer to get to grips with. Can you just make a simple one with wheat malt and pils malt?
Cheers
Steve
 
Whats Bourghoul Kong (never eard of it)...and when you say 500gms plain flour, is that just plain ole plain flour used in cooking?
Cheers
Steve

Just quitely i'm a little worried now about the bourghul... only because of Warrens above post. Because the last minute idea to use it came from what i thought was a thread quite some time ago... by yound Warren mentioning he uses Bourghul to good effect, although i may have been mistaken.. :blink:

Edit: repeat info.. Warren has a quick draw.!

Relax worry guts. :lol:

No, I've never used it in a Wit and have stated that before. HOWEVER I've used it as 20% of the grainbill in my last Saison. Single temp mash and the sparge went without a problem. Ran off just as easily as a 100% barley mash.

If you've achieved your projected efficiency and did not get a stuck sparge then you're cooking with a Kong. :D

Final flavour will be good too. No fear. ;)

Warren -
 
sure you can Steve. great start, but you'll probably find it'll go clear after not too long.
Wits are a type of wheat beer
generally cloudy and IMO more delicious than your standard wheat beer

Warren's right on the money here: "By all accounts cracking raw wheat is an exercise in patience. Also needs to be treated accordingly in the mash but I still believe the results would be worth it."

This is my preferred plan of attack with Wits. I have tried the flour in the boil but it just went lumpy (but i always was sh!t at making gravy)
 
I have tried the flour in the boil but it just went lumpy (but i always was sh!t at making gravy)

i had a similar situation tangent.. but those lumps were beaten out against the side of the kettle.

ps. Thanx Warren, i feel much better.!! :) i think i'll just go chase my Kong around the yard.. :rolleyes:
 
i think i'll just go chase my Kong around the yard.. :rolleyes:

:lol: Say heloooo to an old friend.
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Warren -
 
Moving right along, some of the articles mentioned that historically this style was quite sour. Has anybody soured a wit? Seth? Anyone? (I've got some acidulated malt I want to start using up.)
 
i reused a wit yeast over and over (until it probably got an infection) got some really sour bizarro flavours there. Better idea with the acidulated Stu. I've got some I've been thinking of getting rid of too.
 
So what are your experiences with this style? Grains? Hops? Which yeast to use? Any dry yeast? What spices/peels to add? What temperature did you do your fermentation at? Can this style be done by partial mashers? Kit based brewers who've won BoS in this style?

I spent some time searching this forum a few weeks back to formulate mine, and now here are all the links in one nice post <_<

Still, going into the bottle it tasted very nice, I'm planning a side by side tasting with a Hoegaarden. It had a nice slight sharpness so I'm very happy so far...

Being a partial mash mine is definitely darker and I think that is the main drawback to doing this style with a partial mash, it is difficult to get the really pale almost white colour.

You can, and I did, use raw wheat so there is the potential to produce something reasonably on style with a partial match I think.

I think T58, fermented warm, would work OK for those wanting to use dry yeast.


Here's mine for what it's worth (can't give the beersmith export with all the lovely info at work...)

400g rolled oats. 200g pilsner. 500g wheat. 950g cracked raw wheat. 500g W DME 500g Dextrose. 1.5kg Coopers W LME. 30g dried wild orange. 30g cracked coriander. 10g Saphir hop pellets. 40g Smaragad hop pellets. WLP550 (I think that's it. It is a more general purpose Belgian liquid yeast, rather than the specific Wit ones. I wanted re-use)

Mashed oats, wheat, cracked wheat and pilsner @50C for 25 minutes. Raised to 65-70 for 70 mins. Sparged. Saphir and 20g @45. LME, DME and Dextrose, 3/4oz coriander, 3/4oz orange peel. 10g Smaragad @ 10. 10g Smaragad @ end. 1/4oz coriander, 1/4oz orange peel @end.
 
Moving right along, some of the articles mentioned that historically this style was quite sour. Has anybody soured a wit? Seth? Anyone? (I've got some acidulated malt I want to start using up.)

i know Seth has definately done the 'sour mash' Stu...
he's done it all, even a wit fermented with passiona soft drink which i tried.. great stuff
from memory one of his xmas case beers was a sour mash wheat beer (the cheese brew.?)
i think acidulated malt would be the safest way to go tho.. and get repeatable results.
cant wait to get mine in the bottle
 
Kong, the cheese beer was one of his first steps on the road to weisse enlightenment I think. I'm not sure I want him in the case exchange if he has used passiona in beer though. :lol:

I was thinking a small amount of acidulated might be nice (2-3%?), but since I have yet to use it at all, I'm just whistling in the dark. Thanks to Steve my whole brew schedule has to be rearranged :eek: and I'll be doing a wit next week. I was even thinking of going wild and doing a cereal mash/decoction with the raw wheat.

I have some T-58 and I also drank a Forbidden Fruit last night in order to culture up the yeast (oh the inhumanity). I'll split the wort and try both to see the difference.

How did the B Saaz work, Kong? I have some to hand.
 
my wort is still in cube.. waiting for my (seth's) white labs wit II to fire up.. taking a while to start.
so i have no idea how its turned out yet.. haha
although i find B saaz kind of citrusy with a little spice so i thought it perfect.??!
i also did some reading on TBN forums and several people had great results with cascade.
 
amarillo, glacier or crystal would be nice in small amounts
 
Wow, look at that. Now everyone want to brew a wit :lol:

I just hope my wit turns out drinkable at this stage :p
 
Now, Kong, remember what I said about brew temp with that yeast. Brew too warm and you'll get a lot of Belgian-y plumminess and cloves.

Stu, don't rattle my cage about my weird beers. That reminds me that I need to start a Radler.

I have made a soured Wit, last year. A Hard disk crash makes the recipe unavailable, but IIRC I used about 150g of a thick sour mashed wort. Here's a link to my sour mash thread. It may be useful.

That was my first Berlinisch weisse. The second was the "blue cheese" beer, and the third was the bonus beer in the NSW Xmas in July 2006 case (and also NSW State comp winner, etc...). Hey, I learn quick, I suppose.

Some think that the sour mash was too much for the Witbier, and some say that acidulated malt is the go. I'd prob go about 3% acidulated for starters, and then increase/decrease on the next batch to taste. Having said that, I'd prob start at 5% and work my way up, as I prob now have "lactic threshold shift". :lol:

Will post more later. Need to lauter my Kolnisch bier and collect young Seth-ette from school..

Beerz
S out :p
 

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