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Wortgames

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Hi all,

I came across an old thread where somebody said they had some sodastream adaptors made up that fitted directly into the regulator. Any idea if there are any of these around or who can make them?

I already have a sodastream adaptor that changes the SS thread to the same as on a normal CO2 bottle, but I'd like to save a few inches of brass and go directly from the SS bottle into the reg input.
 

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Send a Personal Message to Hoops.
He gets them made up.
He had two from memory still available about a week ago.

Beers,
Doc
 
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die sudhausanlage

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Hi Guys I just purchased an Adapter from hoops. It cost me $35 inc Postage and it is the best worksmanship I have seen in a while.

You do however need to buy an 87 cent regulator pressure seal to place between the adapter and the SS bottle to eliminate gas leakage, I learnt the hard way.

Also if you use a Harris reg like me, measure the small circle bit where the reg screws on to the bottle, there is an inner ring there, I had to open the adapter up to 11mm to get the adapter to seal. This was no big deal however and the adapter works like a treat.

Hoops also makes SS fillers I believe.
 

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I paid over $50 for the standard adaptor from my LHBS :-(
then I found this forum :)

I use a Harris reg but everything fits perfectly. The adaptor actually came with one of the yellow keg post seals to go between it and the SS bottle, and it does the trick nicely.

I have found that the reg I have (Harris 601-4-CO2) actually completely switches off the flow when it is wound all the way out, which is handy, and the adaptor makes a good seal against the SS bottle just doing it up by hand. I have left the reg sitting on the SS bottle this way for over a week now with no loss of gas.

The whole thing looks like this:
http://www.geocities.com/wortgames/pics/050215-004.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/wortgames/pics/050215-005.jpg

As you can see, it will be nice to get rid of that excess brassware and have one joiner to go directly onto the gas.

I also have a friend in the process of procuring me some nice, smaller, rear-entry gauges which will make the whole thing a bit more sleek.

(Hoops is helping me out with the adaptor).
 

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OK, just a follow-up if anyone is interested in this story.

Firstly, DS - you were right, the shaft of the Harris reg finishes too wide for the neck of the sodastream adaptor, so you have a brass-on-brass mating and the plastic washer doesn't actually do anything. Fortunately mine made a great seal regardless (the brass is soft enough I suppose) and like I said, I've noticed no loss of gas in a week. It is probably worth fixing though.

As for the direct SS-into-reg adaptor, well I got onto Harris in QLD, and the news isn't good.

Apparently, Harris had to use a special thread in order to get licensing to sell into the 'domestic' homebrew market. I am told it is a 'parallel thread with a sealing washer' (mine contains no washer, so I assume its machine shop terminology for the brass mating surfaces?), as opposed to a tapered thread which is the norm but slightly more deadly for meddling kids. Apparently, it will be almost impossible to find anyone who can recreate this thread. The guy at Harris (who will remain nameless to protect the helpful) couldn't even tell me the specs of it, it is that weird.

I doubt he was stringing me the usual line, because he actually told me that my best bet would be to get the shaft modified (ie, cut it down, keep the threaded reg end, and get it and the SS adaptor tapped and threaded into each other).

So, does anyone know of a machinist in Melbourne who could do a decent job of this for me? The reg and adaptor have cost me the best part of $200 between them so I'd prefer to get someone skilled onto the case, rather than the old guy next door with a wobbly lathe, if you know what I mean :p

BTW there is a pic of the dismantled parts here: http://www.geocities.com/wortgames/pics/050215-006.jpg
 
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die sudhausanlage

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Mate I understand what you are trying to do, but in the end is it worth the hassle?

The adapter does a fine job the way it is. So why bother spending $200 on modifying a reg that can not be used with anything but a Soda Stream bottle.

Sorry mate but in all honesty you quest seems a bit futile. No offence intended.

But if you are sucessfull you stand to make a few $$$.

Patent the idea maybe?

DS
 

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I don't intend to spend a further $200!

I bought this reg entirely for use with the SS cylinders (I picked up 6 of them for $11 each before the girls at my local K-Mart got wise), and I'm trying to build a neat, compact and reasonably robust portable system.

At the moment, everything works, but the gauges stick out inviting damage and the whole contraption is about 3 inches longer than it needs to be.

If I can get a machinist to fix up the length for a few bucks, and pick up some small gauges for a couple of beers, why wouldn't I do it?!

As for patenting, I don't see anything worth bothering with. If anyone can make me one, they have my blessing to make their fortune from them.
 
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As for the thread size being unique. I am sceptical on this, as it would mean diminishhed market share. Im sure you can get a machinist to match the thread quite easily seeings how it is only a parrallel thread.

I understand what you are trying to achieve now and I hope you achieve your goal.

Im still looking for a SS refilling hose if any one would like to make me one.

I prefer a hose that is correctly rated to with stand the pressure with brass fittings.

Thanks,

DS

Ps If you add honey to your brews make sure you back off the Grain bill accordingly. Two beers and I am really Shi$%#Faced, thats a record!!!! Bloody strong Honey lager.

DS
 

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Wortgames said:
So, does anyone know of a machinist in Melbourne who could do a decent job of this for me? The reg and adaptor have cost me the best part of $200 between them so I'd prefer to get someone skilled onto the case, rather than the old guy next door with a wobbly lathe, if you know what I mean :p
http://www.geocities.com/wortgames/pics/050215-006.jpg
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I am in Melbourne and made my own adapter out of brass.



Actually, I ended up modifying the reg stem to depress the ball.
 

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BTW I paid $80 for a single gauge CO2 reg at Vic Fittings in Mitcham.
 

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sossman

i sell Harris 601 dual gauge regs for 80.00....rear entry...

Sorry could not help myself.... :D

GMKenterprises
 

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GMK said:
i sell Harris 601 dual gauge regs for 80.00....rear entry...
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Well everyone should buy them from you. I couldn't find a model 601 on their webpage. Is that a discontinued model?

If that is including GST I will look you up next time I am in the market for one.

cheers
 

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I think that reg may be a specialist homebrew model, believe it or not. Even the girl who answered the phone at Harris could cite that model number from memory when I told her it came from a homebrew shop. The neat thing is that it is rear entry and fairly compact, so its a pretty good match for the streams.

GMK - I paid over $130 for it, before I found this site and before I realised just how damned expensive that particular shop is :-(

Sosman, whereabouts are you, and do you fancy modifying my adaptor for me?!

DS - I might be able to help you out with a SS filler - I am about to buy one, if and when the guy gives me a ring back. It's about $95 I think and its not so much a hose as a block - it has two valves and a vent, so you can get the full fill as long as you weigh your cylinder. Basically, you invert your donor bottle (unless it has a dip tube), fill your receiving bottle, then close off the valve. Next, you vent the receiving bottle. The escaping gas causes it to chill rapidly, and the reduced pressure means it will now accept a full fill. This is not for beginners though, and it is critical that you weigh the receiving cylinder (eg using a fishing scale).

The filler will look something like this:
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that includes GST....
 

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I bought one of the 601's from Ken and it works just fine on my 10Kg bottle. It is pretty compact and light and looks like it would do the part of a SS reg. The only downside of this particular reg is that I have been told it is not rebuildable. Failure mean the reg goes into the bin. Please tell me this is wrong!
 

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Any modification you would need doing could be carried out in any machine shop, I run a machine shop and we modify threads all the time. If you are looking for someone to do any work I would suggest finding a small machinist shop take some beer in and tell them what you need. I hade someone do that to me and thats how I started brewing, I also have made him a grain mill and assorted items. I am only to happy to help anybody who asks.

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Wortgames said:
Sosman, whereabouts are you, and do you fancy modifying my adaptor for me?!
Vermont, I could take a look at it. Email me.
 

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