Saaz B Rhizome

[JasonY]

Once my house is built I am hoping to finally get into this hop growing game. I wouldn't mind starting with Saaz B but have not really found any references to rhizomes (I could be blind :B).

Anyone know if you can get these in AUS and if so where?

Thanks

 

[Goat]

I would have thought that being an NZ hop, getting a rhizome here would attract a fair bit of attention from AQIS.

The only reference I could find to it was here:
http://oz.craftbrewer.org/Library/Methods/HopCo/Origin.shtml

but that is a 2002 reference

Having said that - it would be a great to get hold of one !

 

[big d]

2 members are going over to nzud soon.maybe they can find out what the go is re importing rhizomes if not maybe stuff some down the budgiee smugglers and forward through our beloved aust post. h34r:

luvin hus chups
bug d

 

[JasonY]

Yer, but given that we can get saaz b flowers I thought the AQIS ppl may be a bit friendlier to nz friends I guess there could be some kinda soil bug you could smuggle in with one

Still hoping someone out there knows more. May have to email AQIS or someone (providing I can find someone in NZ selling them)

 

[user 865]

Yer, but given that we can get saaz b flowers I thought the AQIS ppl may be a bit friendlier to nz friends I guess there could be some kinda soil bug you could smuggle in with one

Still hoping someone out there knows more. May have to email AQIS or someone (providing I can find someone in NZ selling them)

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Regarding imports of rhizomes, you'd be looking at a fee of around $100 to apply for an import permit (inlcuding manual lodgement fees). And yes, you'd be right that there "may" be all sorts of pests in any soil stuck to the rhizome (even if it is washed farily well), but there may also be viruses in the plant itself. If you get an import permit, it will specify the deatils of how the nursery stock must be prepared (i.e is a rhizome acceptable, or does it need to be cuttings in sterile growing media in glass vials). Following arrival the nursery stock may then need to be grown in post entry quarantine to test to viruses (if they are of a concern from NZ and if they are not tested in NZ). OK, some of that is highlighting "worst case" scenario, but should give you an idea. I'll have a chat to a few of the guys in AQIS tomorrow (I work with the guys that do the assessments, but not specifically in their team) and find out some more for you. I guess the real question is do you want to arrange the import of 100 plants to keep it economical?

Hops cones are a bit easier - still need an import permit (not necessarily the $117 though), commercial documentation and inspection on arrival (free from insect pests). Pellets just need to be packed in new clean packages - they might be inspected or they might not.

full import conditions are at AQIS Import Conditions Database

 

[JasonY]

I'll have a chat to a few of the guys in AQIS tomorrow (I work with the guys that do the assessments, but not specifically in their team) and find out some more for you. I guess the real question is do you want to arrange the import of 100 plants to keep it economical?

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Will be interested to hear what they say. If it is half as complicated as you hint then I will be growing another hop variety

Hops cones are a bit easier - still need an import permit (not necessarily the $117 though), commercial documentation and inspection on arrival (free from insect pests). Pellets just need to be packed in new clean packages - they might be inspected or they might not.

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Are there agreements or the like between reputable supplilers? I am sure some ppl here organised some NZ hops which I assume were shipped direct from NZ, don't recall if they were pellets however which would obviously make it easier.

WOuld be nice to get some at the end of the day as they seem to be a nice hop. It will ultimately come down to $$$ and effort however. Given I will be trying to grow the sucker in Perth which is likely not ideal it could be a big effort for a runty plant

 

[tangent]

my last package of hops from NZ had dog claw marks broken through a few of the packets
only about 1/2 were still vacuum packed, the other 1/2 were open

 

[user 865]

With respect to rhizomes, you are probably just best off getting whatever you can from within Australia. I'm not sure where the WA legislation sits with repsect to rhizomes from other states though - I've never looked. Any - check back on the weekend and see if I found anything interesting out.

Once you have an import permit you generally have a set period of time it is valid for, perhaps a couple of years and it would cover specific varieties, or all varieties, so importing multiple batches over a couple of years spreads the costs. Either way, imports of cones or plugs should come through a quarantine entry and be inspected - that assuming there are no arrangements for pre-clearance of the goods in NZ. If the import you refer to was for cones or plugs, that would generally imply an importer (middle man), be it a company, shop or individual.

 

[Jazman]

i hvae got hops rom nz no probs ,they were pellets and customs only inspected one bag i had so if you guys want saaz b get in quick as the harvest is in march and they are in big demand and dont last long ....like the amarillo we get here .Im lucky this year as i will able t get anough for my own supply

 

[Shunty]

If anyone needs it, i have a NZ hops price list. They are out of whole b saaz at the moment, but last time i checked they had whole d saaz left. I have a contact with them - if anyone has any trouble ordering i'm happy to get an order and send it on.

I tried to buy rhizomes from em a few month back - no go. they are very protective of their breeds

 

[jaytee]

Yea, I hear they won't resell rhizomes at all.

It's all a closed shop to protect the industry - is it 25 or so growers ?

Though there was a post on realbeer in nz suggesting they could get some from the growers - don't think it would be legit though

 

[Shunty]

Yea, I hear they won't resell rhizomes at all.

It's all a closed shop to protect the industry - is it 25 or so growers ?

Though there was a post on realbeer in nz suggesting they could get some from the growers - don't think it would be legit though

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The only rhizome you can get forom them is an old variety called "smoothcone" - no longer commercialy grown i beleive.

We have a very tight hop industry over here - apparently all exports have to go through the hop marketing board. You also can't import whole or plug hops, only pellets.

 

[JasonY]

So it sounds like I have two chances of getting some of these to grow in the backyard :angry:

 

[jaytee]

Try a holiday job harvesting hops in Motueka !

 

[user 865]

JasonY
With the feedback from some others regarding the "protected" varieties of hops in NZ, the quarantine issues may now be a moot point. Anyway, in brief...

Based on general conditions (more so generic/UK versus NZ specifically), you should be able to get hops plants into Australia as either rhizomes (totally free of soil, fumigated on arrival, treated with a nematicide after 3 months growth), or as tissue cultures in glass vials. Either way, 9 months growth in post entry quarantine facilties seems like the deal (to check to viruses and the like) before the plants get released. Would make it a fairly (even very) expensive exercise, even if you could track down a legit supplier of the rhizomes. Maybe the plant health aspects for hops is much better in NZ, but it might take a while to establish that categorically. Oh well, was a good idea.

 

[Ross]

Maybe a daft thought h34r: - but can hops be grown from the seeds that are often trapped within the plugs or do they need to be propogated from a cutting?

cheers Ross...

 

[Gulf Brewery]

Maybe a daft thought h34r: - but can hops be grown from the seeds that are often trapped within the plugs or do they need to be propogated from a cutting?

cheers Ross...

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Ross

Hop growers only ever use the female plant (except for specialised places that generate new varieries), so the seeds are never fertilised. Hop bines are usually propogated from rhizomes.

Pedro

 

[JasonY]

Thanks for the info DarrylB, I will hold back my excitement for now I doubt I will go any further with this, if I am boarded sometime and can actually find a source for the rhizomes I can always ask AQIS to tell me what it would cost.

 

[Ross]

Maybe a daft thought h34r: - but can hops be grown from the seeds that are often trapped within the plugs or do they need to be propogated from a cutting?

cheers Ross...

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Ross

Hop growers only ever use the female plant (except for specialised places that generate new varieries), so the seeds are never fertilised. Hop bines are usually propogated from rhizomes.

Pedro

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Thanks Pedro - I guessed it wouldn't have been that easy...

 

[Cannabaceae]

Regarding imports of rhizomes, you'd be looking at a fee of around $100 to apply for an import permit (inlcuding manual lodgement fees). And yes, you'd be right that there "may" be all sorts of pests in any soil stuck to the rhizome (even if it is washed farily well), but there may also be viruses in the plant itself. If you get an import permit, it will specify the deatils of how the nursery stock must be prepared (i.e is a rhizome acceptable, or does it need to be cuttings in sterile growing media in glass vials). Following arrival the nursery stock may then need to be grown in post entry quarantine to test to viruses (if they are of a concern from NZ and if they are not tested in NZ). OK, some of that is highlighting "worst case" scenario, but should give you an idea. I'll have a chat to a few of the guys in AQIS tomorrow (I work with the guys that do the assessments, but not specifically in their team) and find out some more for you. I guess the real question is do you want to arrange the import of 100 plants to keep it economical? <snip>

I wrote to AQIS awhile back regarding rhizome import from UK:

"Regarding your enquiry regarding the import of a Hop cultivar from the UK. Most (if not all) recent
imports of Hops have come through the Quarantine Station in Hobart Tasmania. The growing and
testing takes about 12 to 18 months and begins with the establishment of a new plant from a cutting
taken from the original imported crown. This cutting is then grown on and tested and if OK the
established cutting and any progeny are released and the original imported crown is destroyed.
The cost is approximately $1000. If you would like a more detailed costing or more information
regarding the testing please let me know. Currently all Hops are prohibited entry into Australia."

I also found out that after you put in an application for a permit to import Seeds/Nursery Stock they
will then send you a "New Plant Introduction form" which is required by Biosecurity Australia to
commence a formal assessment ....which I was told could take a couple of months!
(Plants that are already in Australia, still require this assessment).

You definitely don't want to import a 100 plants they charge per M per day!
Fees and charges for post entry plant quarantine

Maybe with a suitable long pole they could grow one in a square metre