Roger's Beer Clone

[stakka82]

Hey all,

I've really been getting into LC's Roger's beer recently, and am keen to try to make a clone.

Somewhere on this site I found a picture of the 'recipe' written on a blackboard (props to whoever posted it, cant find it atm). The description given by LC is as follows:

Hops: cascade (tas or usa)

Malt: LC Pale Ale malt, vienna, carapils and wheat

So I tried to knock up a recipe based on this description and guess work. Came up with the following:

Batch Size: 15L

Original Gravity (OG): 1.035
Final Gravity (FG): 1.009
Alcohol (ABV): 3.44 %
Colour (SRM): 9.1 (EBC): 17.9
Bitterness (IBU): 24.5 (Average)

1kg American 2-Row
0.6kg Vienna
0.6kg Wheat Malt
0.1kg Carapils (Dextrine)
0.1kg Chocolate, Pale

0.3 g/L Cascade (7.8% Alpha) @ 60 Minutes (Boil)
0.7 g/L Cascade (7.8% Alpha) @ 30 Minutes (Boil)
1 g/L Cascade (7.8% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil)

I only added the pale chocolate as nothing else in LC's description seems like it would give the right colour. I was thinking of either going with that or Caraaroma. Is there something I'm missing? Is there another way to get the desired colour without adding a darker malt?

Also I have never used Wheat or Vienna before. Is 25% too much of the grain bill for the Vienna?

I'm really feeling my way around in the dark here. I've only got a handful of AGs under my belt. I BIAB, and chill. Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

Also I was thinking about maybe upping the grain 10 percent or so and mashing at a higher (maybe 68 degrees) temp to get increased body with the same abv.

Many thanks...

Ps. yeast will be US-05 @ around 19 degs.

 

[Muscovy_333]

I'm watching closely...very interested to see how this clone goes...massive fan myself.
Perhaps a crystal malt for colour?

 

[Dazza88]

I think Argon's little fella pale ale discussion thread had pictures of LC blackboards.

Yep here: http://www.aussiehomebrewer.com/forum/inde...st&p=633717

But no hops description . . . awww.

 

[chunckious]

Pretty sure DrSmurto has an Mid Strength Amber Ale that has been likened to Rodgers that has the blackboard shots.

http://www.aussiehomebrewer.com/forum/inde...amp;recipe=1205

 

[Dazza88]

Chunk has it: http://www.aussiehomebrewer.com/forum/inde...st&p=712639

 

[stakka82]

yeah that's the pic, thanks dazdog.

i understand there are other other recipes out there which may closely imitate the real thing, but for authenticity's sake i kind of wanted to follow the LC recipe as closely as possible, using those malts and cascade if possible.

the colour thing's really got me stumped though, without resorting to a darker crystal or chocolate malt.

 

[Doogiechap]

Here is another thread that might give some good insight into colour etc.
Cheers :icon_cheers:

 

[kymba]

you'll also find that the apostrophe is at the end of rogers, ie rogers'

dunno why, maybe one of the brewers last name is rogers and it is his brew

now tell everyone you want a "rogerses" lol

besides all that, if you get a decent recipe pls post!

 

[eamonnfoley]

It definitely seems like there are kiwi hops in Rogers. I would be throwing moteuka in along with some cascade.

 

[Doogiechap]

dunno why, maybe one of the brewers last name is rogers and it is his brew

Roger Bailey and Roger Bussell

 

[kymba]

Roger Bailey and Roger Bussell

there you go - two fkn rogers

 

[barls]

then there is the isb version

isb roger clone

Selected Style and BJCP Guidelines
11A-English Brown Ale-Mild

Minimum OG: 1.030 SG Maximum OG: 1.038 SG
Minimum FG: 1.008 SG Maximum FG: 1.013 SG
Minimum IBU: 10 IBU Maximum IBU: 25 IBU
Minimum Color: 12.0 SRM Maximum Color: 25.0 SRM


Recipe Overview
Wort Volume Before Boil: 28.00 l Wort Volume After Boil: 21.00 l
Volume Transferred: 21.00 l Water Added To Fermenter: 0.00 l
Volume At Pitching: 21.00 l Volume Of Finished Beer: 21.00 l
Expected Pre-Boil Gravity: 1.028 SG Expected OG: 1.037 SG
Expected FG: 1.010 SG Apparent Attenuation: 72.9 %
Expected ABV: 3.6 % Expected ABW: 2.8 %
Expected IBU (using Tinseth): 31.3 IBU Expected Color (using Morey): 10.3 SRM
BU:GU ratio: 0.85 Approx Color:
Mash Efficiency: 80.0 %
Boil Duration: 90.0 mins
Fermentation Temperature: 18 degC


Fermentables
Ingredient Amount % MCU When
Australian Traditional Ale Malt 3.000 kg 94.0 % 4.1 In Mash/Steeped
Australian Crystal 140 0.070 kg 2.2 % 2.1 In Mash/Steeped
Australian Dark Crystal 0.070 kg 2.2 % 3.1 In Mash/Steeped
Australian Chocolate Malt 0.050 kg 1.6 % 7.6 In Mash/Steeped


Hops
Variety Alpha Amount IBU Form When
UK Golding 5.5 % 37 g 30.0 Loose Pellet Hops 60 Min From End
US Cascade 4.5 % 45 g 1.3 Loose Pellet Hops 1 Min From End


Other Ingredients
Ingredient Amount When


Yeast
DCL S-04-SafAle English Ale


Water Profile
Target Profile: No Water Profile Chosen
Mash pH: 5.3
pH Adjusted with: Unadjusted

Total Calcium (ppm): 13 Total Magnesium (ppm): 5
Total Sodium (ppm): 13 Total Sulfate (ppm): 10
Total Chloride(ppm): 27 Total Bicarbonate (ppm): 0


Mash Schedule
Mash Type: Full Mash
Schedule Name: Single Step Infusion (68C/154F)

Step Type Temperature Duration
Rest at 68 degC 60


Recipe Notes

 

[kymba]

cheers barls, i have the goldings & cascades growing at the moment - this will be the harvest day recipe!

and maybe a SNPA torpedo, but i may be getting ahead of myself

 

[Nick JD]

Roger Bailey and Roger Bussell

Aha! I thought it was a beer for people into rogering. Never made sense - that's what Toohey's Extra Dry is for.