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Robobrew and associated costs for all grain brewing

Discussion in 'Gear and Equipment' started by RRising, 9/8/18.

 

  1. RRising

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    Posted 9/8/18
    I want to get into all grain brewing, i have looked into brew in a bag system but as i don't have a gas stove and the side burner on my bbq is next to useless i have been umming and ahhing about buying a robobrew.

    My question is what costs are associated with getting started with AG brewing and is it more more cost effective once set up than using canned extracts kits?

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  2. Uyllii

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    I don't have a robobrew, but I have a grainfather.

    You will need a urn (or a way to heat ~17 litres of water to 75C assuming a 5 gal batch) for sparging.
    If you want to buy unmilled grain you will need a malt mill, hopper, drill/motor to operate the mill (or muscles) and bucket to catch the grain.

    I find the operating costs are similar to extract brewing, but if you buy and store grain and hops in bulk it can be a fair bit cheaper.

    I get all my brews measured out, milled and packaged up by forum sponsor brewman and my costs vary from $25 for a simple mid strength ordinary bitter, to about $95 for a hoppy 6/7% IPA (+$6 postage).
     
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    You will need to figure out connections for the immersion chiller if you plan to use it.
    I don't use an urn, just hot (65°C) tap water for sparging. There are many opinions on this so do what you feel comfortable with.
    A wide tray/container to put the grain basket in is handy.
    Metal mash paddle.
    Maybe some extra silicon tubing.
    A power point you can use ideally without an extension cord.
     
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    You dont need an Urn - If you have the time you just fill the robobrew to full (30 litres) and heat up full volume to your sparge temp (75 degrees or so) once at temp - drain the water out and keep it aside for sparging ( you will need a vessel that holds 21litres if you use a 19 litre mash. You set the timer before you go to bed and when you wake up your water is heated :)
    Or you could buy an urn - or a sous vide thing - or just sparge with cold water - apparently doesnt make much difference (but adds time)

    You will need some silicone tubing - this is true - needed for the mashing process - although maybe the new versions come with a bit - not sure.

    You dont need fittings for the immersion chiller if you use the no chill or hot cube method - but you will need a 21 litre food safe cube/container - otherwise you will need some fittings for the immersion chiller :) to connect to a standard tap etc - also there is a size difference on the immersion chiller and a standard hose

    A mash paddle - Yes to this too

    Optional extras...
    * I bought a kitchen scale and some containers and marked them up with accurate measurements of water volumes
    * Hop spider or hop socks
    * a tea strainer to put over the overflow valve - added safety net (pun intended)
    * A cover to insulate the robobrew to minimise heat loss (but dont cover the base)
    * some insulation around the pipe as this is where a lot of heat can be lost - like a heat exchanger
    * A milk crate - allows airflow around the robobrew !

    Im about to brew batch number 30 in mine (gen 2) -its been awesome
     
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    Posted 10/8/18
    The cost is great and I'm not just talking about money! ;)

    You'll love making the leap, I think I brewed one kit in the beginning and then went straight to all grain. I do BIAB in a 40L Crown Urn so I can skip the sparging steps (I'm lazy and it was cheaper to setup as well) but I would have gone to a RB or GF if finances had allowed it at the time. I put more effort/money into the fermentation and packaging side of things..
     
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    Posted 10/8/18
    I'm also looking at moving from extract to all grain with Robobrew end of this year/early next. Not sure if I can justify the cost/effort yet. Hopefully ordering kegs next week as the next step in my homebrew journey.
     
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    Thanks, i was watching the Kegland video on the Robobrew gen3 and they said with the immersion chiller to hook it up to the pump and sit it in a bucket of ice water and let it flow back into into the unit which makes sense.
     
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    Totally off topic @RRising - but "RRising" does that refer to the album "Rainbow Rising?" Nice taste, if so.
     
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    I have put a tentative pre purchase order for the 50 litre Guten, so keep an eye out for this, will probably post it in a seperate thread $300 includes hood, lauter helix, new switch fitted. Variable watt ,6 step mash/ boil
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    Sadly no... i honestly cannot remember what the first "R" is, i made the username back in high school and have been using it ever since.
     
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    Update... i am now the owner of a 35L robobrew, thought bugger it and put the money down for one.

    Kegland swindles another $400 off of me. :)
     
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    Aren’t the 50L around 700bucks?
     
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    Having just been down this road recently it is always easy to justify the next $50.

    starting looking at Pot + gas ring ~$250
    then saw BIAB electric urn ~ $350
    then for about the same price as urn + postage + immersion chiller
    bought Robobrew. ~ $450

    For any other readers in the future I reckon an all grain mash + keg + fermenter setup from scratch you are looking around $1000 - you don't need to spend that much but is a ball park price.

    Palmer - How to brew book
    robobrew
    CO2 tank + regulators
    Fermentasaurus + pressure lid
    temperature control solution (controller + heater + water jacket plus ice + insulation)
    19l keg ( I borrowed one from a mate + some of the mini keg to store in kitchen fridge)
    tubing / disconnects / taps
    sanitation supplies
    hydrometers etc...

    The good news is first beer (all grain pale ale) was quite drinkable - which was remarkable. Given I'm a lazy bugger and everyone complains about bottling, and most end up doing all grain. I thought kegging was the starting point rather than buy bottles then buy kegs.
     
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    Yes 50 litre $740 and the 30 litre $380. These are well worth the money when some of us were buying direct from China I should have bought the 50 litre then, I have the 15 amp power points and since making my brew day easier by doing the no sparge I regret not buying it. And from what I have read on UK forums about them is they don't need the 15 amp circuit they get a rolling boil at 220 watt, the 30 litre is 2500 watt and gets a really rapid boil at 2000 thats the great thing about these units the variable wattage. I am not that bothered about the hop timer on them, the recipe memory is a good point and I don't think a 9 step mash is needed, another plus factor is the reliable yellow pump (same as the grainfather)
     

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