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[FreeBaseBuzz]

Actually one more question, when you force carb beer doesnt it taste green? And also is extra time in primary work the same as time conditioning in bottles ? For example would a beer that spent one week in primary and two weeks in the bottles taste the same as a beer that spent three weeks in primary and then force carbed? Sorry for going off topic just curious

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I am no expert, but I believe there is a difference. Dissolved CO2 from force carbing is not the same as CO2 that has had the time to form the weak covalescent bonds with the H2O to form Carbonic Acid. Thats my understanding anyway. I think the latter also produces smaller bubbles. I could be completely off the mark tho, I'm just repeating what I was told when I asked the same question.


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[Beerisyummy]

Actually one more question, when you force carb beer doesnt it taste green? And also is extra time in primary work the same as time conditioning in bottles ? For example would a beer that spent one week in primary and two weeks in the bottles taste the same as a beer that spent three weeks in primary and then force carbed? Sorry for going off topic just curious

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Force carbing does not make a beer taste green. Beer that is too young tastes green.
Force carbed beer tatses just fine immediately after the fact but the bubbles are better after a few hours at the least.

I believe the answer to your question on more time in primary vs bottles is pretty simple. Primary has a yeast cake and is quite susceptible to infections in most cases.

I am no expert, but I believe there is a difference. Dissolved CO2 from force carbing is not the same as CO2 that has had the time to form the weak covalescent bonds with the H2O to form Carbonic Acid. Thats my understanding anyway. I think the latter also produces smaller bubbles. I could be completely off the mark tho, I'm just repeating what I was told when I asked the same question.


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Given time I can't feel a difference in the type of bubbles. I'd love to read something explaining the difference if anyone has a link?

I find some beers are more suited to bottles and others are better on tap.

 

[OneEye]

Here's my finished product doing the rounds at a Melbourne Cup get together today.... works so well. I can get 2 bottles from one cartridge.

The ability to, somewhat, adjust pressure is the best thing for it I think.

 

[Mattwa]

Here's my finished product doing the rounds at a Melbourne Cup get together today.... works so well. I can get 2 bottles from one cartridge.

The ability to, somewhat, adjust pressure is the best thing for it I think.

That is awesome. Did you make the custom badge?

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[OneEye]

Yeah just made it up using photoshop and printed it out on some magnetic paper I had. (I also print out label magnets for my keezer)

One Eye Brewing comes about because I've got one bung eye myself and my late brewing assistant (dog) was left with one eye after he had a rather unfortunate altercation with one of the neighbourhood cats!

 

[Mickcr250]

That looks sweet moosebeer I might have to look into that magnetic paper. Also my force carbing worked a treat I'm drinking one now and it tastes great and has perfect carbonation.

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[pist]

Guys how do you force carb tk bottles? Got a batch im wanting to drink now

 

[pist]

Got a kegking reg so pressure is in psi or bar

 

[Mickcr250]

Get it cold, chuck in a fresh 16g bulb and crank the pressure up to about 40 psi and shake till the bulb runs out. Chuck it back in the fridge for a bit then put a new bulb in set to serving pressure and drink

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[notung]

Thanks to mrTbeer's guide I have been modifying my tap king. It's all all been easy until I got to putting my mini regulator together. The 1/4" female thread on the regulator is too small for the 1/4" male thread on the 1/4" male > 6mm hose barb fitting! Can anyone tell me where I've gone wrong?

I bought this mini regulator from 'country trading store' on ebay - link

and this 1/4" male > 6mm hose barb fitting.

The pics indicate they should pair ok, but there's no way. Unless on the reg packet 'attaches to 1/4" mfl disconnect' means something else.

Any ideas?

 

[MastersBrewery]

MLF is a different thread, sorry for the bad news, I am sure some were linked earlier the thread

 

[Hugh Jarse]

I have also been following this topic with interest and have just purchased all fittings (minus mini reg and line obviously) from Super Cheap Auto.

I have the same mini reg from the same place as notung above and have found that a 3/16 hose to 1/8 BSP fits into the reg where the disconnect assembly goes.

I have not tried this out yet as I am waiting on some line to run a T and waiting for an APA to finish its ferment.

 

[notung]

I just got my reg and the fml fitting should be a jic thread not bspt as in the eBay link Lucky I had something at work so Will test it tonight

Yep, there it is. I had missed that!

I have also been following this topic with interest and have just purchased all fittings (minus mini reg and line obviously) from Super Cheap Auto.

I have the same mini reg from the same place as notung above and have found that a 3/16 hose to 1/8 BSP fits into the reg where the disconnect assembly goes.

I have not tried this out yet as I am waiting on some line to run a T and waiting for an APA to finish its ferment.

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Ah, how interesting! A 3/16 id hose works out to be 4.8mm. Do you plan on running 4mm hose all the way to the low pressure side of the tap king or joining to 6mm hose as in the mrTbeer method? I wonder if a hose clip/clamp would get a 6mm id hose tight enough on the supercheap auto hosetail?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Going to try and run the 4mm hose all the way. Also have to run some thread sealant around before I test under pressure. Going to force carb my first bottle but wont be for around 6 weeks yet...... pesky work is getting in the way!

 

[notung]

Thanks Hugh!

 

[soreba]

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[soreba]

@notung - See my pics below.

After giving up on finding the correct MFL barb altogether i found this little gem at the Bunnings air tool section (Came in like a bike tyre/ball pump kit). Ripped off the MFL female fitting on the reg and it fit perfectly with an o ring to seal.
Uses 4mm hose all the way. No 6mm -> 4mm join like i have seen earlier on in the thread.

Tested and leak free up to 40 psi which is more than you need for force carbing.

 

[soreba]

Also good work HJ for finding the fitting from supercheap auto. Didn't even think to look there.

 

[notung]

Nice one soreba!

Could you share roughly how much the pack from bunnings cost you and do you recall what else was in there?

 

[soreba]

Nice one soreba!

Could you share roughly how much the pack from bunnings cost you and do you recall what else was in there?

I found the pack online.. Its the middle fitting at the top. I attached it to the reg with some thread tape and an O ring to seal.

http://www.bunnings.com.au/project-air-inflation-nozzle-adaptor-pack-_p6270249

That was just an easy solution i found, there are other fittings around but this one was just at my local bunnings so it was convenient to use.

 

[woodynet]

Guys.. I found this Tutorial

https://www.coopers.com.au/coopers-forum/topic/10521/?page=3

I've ordered 8 X co2 cyclinders and the mini regulator, will try and find the pack mentioned earlier at bunnings
so what should the pressure be set at and when changing over you turn the tap off on the keg king regulator ?

I plan on just topping up the empties at brew brothers here in Brisbane.. what cleaner do I use for the bottles before heading over ?

cheers

 

[soreba]

Guys.. I found this Tutorial

https://www.coopers.com.au/coopers-forum/topic/10521/?page=3

I've ordered 8 X co2 cyclinders and the mini regulator, will try and find the pack mentioned earlier at bunnings
so what should the pressure be set at and when changing over you turn the tap off on the keg king regulator ?

I plan on just topping up the empties at brew brothers here in Brisbane.. what cleaner do I use for the bottles before heading over ?

cheers

woodynet, I generally set my mini reg to 10psi or the first notch on the gauge. Anything higher than than gets a bit too foamy.
Experimentation is key with the mini reg as it took me a while to find the right pressure.

Also if have found that it takes around 5 mins for the reg to equalize pressure again once a glass has been poured (as compared to the tapking reg which will push gas in during a pour). So just open the reg up a little at a time (then wait, the open a little more) to avoid too much pressure and leave it alone once you get to 10-12psi and doesnt go any higher after a few mins. Might just be my reg not sure but something to look out for.

And yes, turn the reg off when changing bottles, the gas tube is free flowing otherwise without the bottle.

 

[woodynet]

Great thanks for the tips Soreba, what about the bottle cleaning ? I've seen mentioned a few times a non rinse solution .. but I'm thinking will a bit of washing detergent and rinsing do the trick ? remember my plan is to just go and fill the bottles up at a place that does their own brewing !

Cheers


Darren

 

[MastersBrewery]

Great thanks for the tips Soreba, what about the bottle cleaning ? I've seen mentioned a few times a non rinse solution .. but I'm thinking will a bit of washing detergent and rinsing do the trick ? remember my plan is to just go and fill the bottles up at a place that does their own brewing !

Cheers


Darren

Regular washing detergent is awful for beer. Easiest would be non scented nappy san, and then a sanitiser from your local brew store. Sanitiser a must if you are going to keep the beer for anything longer that a day or 2. My fav is star san but there are others

 

[woodynet]

Thanks everyone for your links and advice! We have a successful Tap King conversion, still experimenting with the pressure, only getting just over one keg on the 16g bulbs, no leaks where found, but some of the guys where playing around with the dials taking the second keg upto 30 early on, be happy to hear how others are going with squeezing out as much gas as possible !

 

[sunnybrew]

Gday All, I will be posting a blow by blow photo and guide to building this from info here in this thread and a few mods... Bloody easy and neat if you have a drill and a few bits

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mrTbeer!! This little gem (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/281162248363?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649) which I see you found after project 1, 2.....? Is awesome... Best direction from anywhere on the net.. You Rock! would have been lost trying the soda stream setup Thanks for breaking the ground and letting me follow...

All it has apart from the tap king standard head bits and the Regulator as shown by mrTbeer is;

1 x threaded barb from pirtek $2.60
1 x 3cm beer line $
1 x 1cm long 3mm vinyl hose $

As I said full directions and photos soon :-D But easy as!

CHEERS!!! :-D

(Lesson of the Day! Dont sort photos in Photobucket after you have shared links....lol :-D)

 

[barls]

Pics don't work sunny

 

[sunnybrew]

Pics don't work sunny

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[barls]

No problems mate just wanted to see what you were talking about

 

[codyg]

Hey guys,

New to brewing and new to this forum but I wanted to check that you guys are filling these tap kings straight from the fermentation bucket and then just carbonating using this setup? I had someone tell me I would need to carbonate it first in bottles or a keg but I thought that kind of defeated the purpose of this ...

Thanks for your help