Pale Ale, thoughts

[Dunkelbrau]

Bitterness is still extracted but at a lower ratio, depending on the gravity etc. There would be a few IBU from the 30 minute addition, but no where near the same as if it were a 60 minute addition. If you do the calculations, it would work out around 13-17 IBU depending on a few factors just for the 30 minute addition.

The timing isnt strict at 0-15 for aroma 20-40 for flavour and 45-90 for bitterness, "flavour" consists of bitterness and aroma.. the shorter the addition is in contact with the boiling wort, the less bitterness in the final product, which is why you have to add **** loads of hops late to get any IBU.. An example would be a 10 minute IPA etc.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Which is why I said there was no bitterness.

 

[Dunkelbrau]

IBU is a measurement of bitterness, so technically, there is, it's just not from a "bitterness addition" ;-)

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Which most people miss understand.

 

[Scottye]

I have put down three extract brews that have been bittered with Galaxy, all three where 20g at 40 mins in 10 litre boils. Late hopping was a combination of Galaxy and Cascade or just Galaxy. The results were OK, not overly sweet but certainly hop (aroma and taste) and malt dominated these brews. Anyway I decided, even though Galaxy is one of my favourite hops, that I will be using Magnum and Challenger for all future bittering additions.

 

[Lord Raja Goomba I]

Guys, thread has been modded to stop this descending into a crap fight, posts deleted.

Stu, mate a more constructive approach would have been better. Something along the the lines of '30 minute additions offer less bitterness than a 60 minute addition, if you're chilling', rather than 'it has no bitterness' half a dozen times, especially considering you're in a 'less experienced' brewers' thread.

It's been perceived as troll bait and that's a fair assumption.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

I have put down three extract brews that have been bittered with Galaxy, all three where 20g at 40 mins in 10 litre boils. Late hopping was a combination of Galaxy and Cascade or just Galaxy. The results were OK, not overly sweet but certainly hop (aroma and taste) and malt dominated these brews. Anyway I decided, even though Galaxy is one of my favourite hops, that I will be using Magnum and Challenger for all future bittering additions.

Some hops bitter better than other, and some hops are better at aroma & flavour. POR is a great bittering hop, but not good for flav & aroma. The reason is "noble" hops make for better flav & aroma due to some of the following

Lower alpha acid content - less than 6%
Low myrcene oil content - less than 50% of total oils
Low cohumulone alpha acid content
Alpha acid:Beta acid ratio close to 1:1
Medium oil content - 0.5 - 1.5%
Some have a high humulene:caryophyllene ratio with values above 3:1 generally required for noble types.

A few examples of %

Hop. WOC 'Myrc Humul Caryoph Farne Other

Saaz .55 22.5, 42.5, 11.0, 13, 10
Tettnan .60 40.5 , 20.5, 6.5, 6.5, 25
Cascade 1.15 52.0, 13.0, 4.5, 6.0, 23
Fuggle 0.95 45.0, 23.0, 8.0, 4.5, 19
EKG 0.8 23.0, 45.0, 14.0, 0.5, 17
POR 1.5 37.5, 5.5, 7.5, 0.5, 48

WOC = whole oil content
Myrc = Myrcene
Humul = Humulene
Caryoph = Caryophyllene
Farn = Farnesene



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[Dread82]

So ive downloaded Ianh's spread sheet and inputted all my data and sure enough its come out at 24.6ibu with the hop concentration factor on. Looks like its gonna be a mild beer.

 

[unclebarrel]

Good work jumping on the spreadsheet dread.
I use it for every brew. IanH has done a great service for all kit and extract brewers !
The one time I brewed without it, (computer was a bit crook), I made a decent beer, but miscalculated it a bit.
I was aiming for a pale ale in the low 5's….I got just a tick over 6 % !! And around 50 IBU. Very nearly an IPA !
Actually drinking one right now !

I guess you can just hope beer at 24.6IBU tastes good hey !!!
Just knock em down and look forward to more bitterness in your next brews !

 

[Dread82]

Yeah it is mid/high thirties atm so will make any beer almost drinkable haha, ive got two more on the go already using others recipes.... ill leave my creativeness until I get my head round it a bit more. Just bottled a coopers beer of the month pack, the steam beer so see how that tastes in a week or two.

 

[unclebarrel]

Good stuff man !
I hope you enjoy every minute.
Its a great hobby with even better rewards !



UB

 

[Dread82]

Drinking this now and quite enjoying it, nice amount of bitterness and nice hoppy finish, better grab another one as we have a cat 3 cyclone outside nothing else to do

 

[Dread82]

Pic

 

[Scooby Tha Newbie]

Looks very nice. And mate it's hard to make a crook beer. They're like children. You love them when they are smelly dirty or just plain ugly. Either way it's a learning curve. Enjoy them bf they steal your car and run over the nabours cat.

 

[Goose]

Nice on dread.

There's been some good head discussions lately and I am curious to see that pic taken 3 minutes later if you hadn't downed it by then

 

[Dread82]

I cheat a bit, the glass has cross hatch etch that maintains the head also makes the beer go flat quicker, not that it lasts long enough for that

 

[Goose]

some work to do there fella, good try though this is always my objective:

 

[Dread82]

This is my third brew so yeah plenty to do haha, I'm just glad it's drinkable

 

[Yob]

Pic

what was 50 shades like?

 

[stakka82]

I always struggled to get decent/any lacing when I did extracts... went to AG and it's lace city every time.

That said I never did partials or anything, just straight extract with a few boiled grains. YMMV

 

[bradsbrew]

some work to do there fella, good try though this is always my objective:

6 mouthfuls to the pint hey goose.

Glad the beer worked out dread, hopefully that cyclone blew your house back up 90 degree

 

[Crusty]

Here ya go big fella.

 

[Dread82]

what was 50 shades like?

Haha no idea

 

[Dread82]

6 mouthfuls to the pint hey goose.

Glad the beer worked out dread, hopefully that cyclone blew your house back up 90 degree

House made it back, Palm out the back only half way