New Zealand Hops

[lowtech]

As a bit of a traditionalist (hop wise) , that is GR grown hops for a euro beer,UK grown hops for a pommy beer , POR for an Aussie pale,and Yankee hops for an APA, should I be thinking NZ hops for freshness,versatility and availability instead of regional imports.

I have a huge soft spot for Willammette, Styrian G, and Tettnanger, that have all been from the motherland.
Has anyone really found that these NZ hops match up to the regional originals by comparison?
i t would be great to think that I could buy equivilant standard hops fresh(07) this year ,instead of 05/06 stock from current retailers online with similar characteristics a the ol Faves.

 

[Tony]

They are similar...... only way is to try them!

I was always a tradionalist too...... untill i tried some of these hops.

Bugger tradition............ be bold and have some fun with your brewing. Brew an Aussie ale with 100% Aussie ale malt and bitter it with sothern cross with 1/2g/ liter of pacific halertau 5 min from the end.

YUM!

 

[goatherder]

lowtech, they aren't really subs for the traditional hops. They are not better or worse, they are just different. If you buy them expecting to be same as the originals then you might be disappointed. Try 'em and see what you think. There are some similar flavours to the traditionals (cascade, goldings) and some truly unique ones (nelson sauvin). They are all good, just in their own way. The huge win is that you can get them super fresh and in flower form.

 

[schooey]

The huge win is that you can get them super fresh and in flower form.

Aye to that... :super:

 

[milpod]

Sothern Cross has a very very low cohumulone level, the same as noble hops, so its bitterness, even at high levels is very smooth. And with a 15+%AA level its very cost effective.

I am in love with NZ hops. They are so nice, so different. They provide that WOW factor in a beer.

If the entire American hop industry burnt to the ground i would rejoice and smile because there are still NZ hops ....... i would probably do the same without NZ hops as well

I dont know if i have posted on this thread but this is my Sheep Shagger recipe.




The Sheep Shagger

A ProMash Recipe Report

Recipe Specifics
----------------

Batch Size (L): 46.00 Wort Size (L): 46.00
Total Grain (kg): 13.50
Anticipated OG: 1.072 Plato: 17.56
Anticipated EBC: 17.7
Anticipated IBU: 69.9
Brewhouse Efficiency: 80 %
Wort Boil Time: 75 Minutes


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential EBC
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
92.6 12.50 kg. TF Golden Promise Pale Ale Ma UK 1.037 6
3.7 0.50 kg. Weyermann Carared Germany 1.036 48
3.7 0.50 kg. TF Crystal UK 1.034 100

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
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30.00 g. D SAAZ Pellet 5.60 9.7 First WH
50.00 g. Sothern Cross Whole 15.90 34.8 45 min.
30.00 g. B-Saaz Whole 6.80 4.8 15 min.
30.00 g. Nelson Sauvin Whole 11.90 8.5 15 min.
30.00 g. Pacific Hallertau Whole 6.50 4.6 15 min.
20.00 g. Sothern Cross Whole 15.90 7.5 15 min.
60.00 g. B-Saaz Whole 6.80 0.0 0 min.
60.00 g. Nelson Sauvin Whole 11.90 0.0 0 min.
60.00 g. Pacific Hallertau Whole 6.50 0.0 0 min.
20.00 g. Sothern Cross Whole 15.90 0.0 0 min.


Yeast
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US-05


As you can see its a big beer. 1.072, 70 IBU but its smooth as silk. Those NZ hops really work a treat. Its been in the bottle for ages now and still has a fantastic hop character.

i fould a label for it on the net too...... might be a good lodo for the NZ hop sniffers

Ditto,blending sc and ns you would think a bitter mouth puckering drop,but strangely enough these high AA hops can offer an insight to how high AA can be delicate in a brew.

 

[choppadoo]

Word is from NZ hops that '08 harvest pellet hops should be available at the end of April or so... :beerbang:

Bugger, got inspired halfway through reading this thread and ordered some NS from older harvests, only to find this tidbit on the next page!
Haha, too bad

 

[Brewer_010]

I just brewed a pale ale with NZ grown cascade and goldings flowers, and this combination is really tasty. The cascade could be fruitier, but the spicy fruitiness of these two hops has got me interested in using them in other beers like a porter and a bitter.

Recipe is:

Critter Ale
Brew Type: Extract Date: 23/02/2008
Style: American Pale Ale Brewer: Inhale
Batch Size: 20.00 L Assistant Brewer:
Boil Volume: 23.28 L Boil Time: 70 min
Equipment: My Equipment

Ingredients Amount Item Type % or IBU
3.00 kg Extra Pale LME (4.0 EBC) Extract 89.6 %
0.25 kg Caraamber (59.1 EBC) Grain 7.5 %
0.10 kg Caraaroma (350.0 EBC) Grain 3.0 %
40.00 gm Goldings, East Kent [3.70%] (60 min) Hops 19.9 IBU
20.00 gm Cascade [8.30%] (20 min) Hops 7.5 IBU
20.00 gm Cascade [8.30%] (15 min) Hops 6.0 IBU
20.00 gm Goldings, East Kent [3.70%] (15 min) Hops 2.7 IBU
15.00 gm Cascade [8.30%] (0 min) Hops -
15.00 gm Goldings, East Kent [3.70%] (0 min) Hops -
20.00 gm Cascade [8.30%] (Dry Hop 14 days) Hops -
1.00 tsp Irish Moss (Boil 10.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs California Ale (White Labs #WLP001) Yeast-Ale

Beer Profile Estimated Original Gravity: 1.046 SG (1.045-1.056 SG) Measured Original Gravity: 1.046 SG
Estimated Final Gravity: 1.010 SG (1.010-1.015 SG) Measured Final Gravity: 1.006 SG
Estimated Color: 17.2 EBC (7.9-21.7 EBC) Color [Color]
Bitterness: 36.0 IBU (20.0-40.0 IBU) Alpha Acid Units: 3.7 AAU
Estimated Alcohol by Volume: 4.6 % (4.5-5.7 %) Actual Alcohol by Volume: 5.2 %
Actual Calories: 422 cal/l

 

[Lukes]

Found a few recipe idea's on the web site and a matrix.

 

[THE DRUNK ARAB]

Found a few recipe idea's on the web site and a matrix.

Nice one Lukes :beer:

I haven't looked at all the recipes but it is good to see Southern Cross being used in the Lager recipes
I have looked at. The SC really gives the impressions of a Noble hop from my use with it.

C&B
TDA

 

[Lukes]

The 1063 OG strong bock recipe with Southern Cross and NZ hall could be a good winter warmer.

 

[THE DRUNK ARAB]

The 1063 OG strong bock recipe with Southern Cross and NZ hall could be a good winter warmer.

Agreed! looks like it could be a goer this winter.

 

[warrenlw63]

Hey chaps

I'm planning to tame the crazy Sticklebract in my next beer... Been wanting to try this hop for years. B)

Sticklebract BA

A ProMash Recipe Report

BJCP Style and Style Guidelines
-------------------------------

08-B English Pale Ale, Special/Best/Premium Bitter

Min OG: 1.040 Max OG: 1.048
Min IBU: 25 Max IBU: 40
Min Clr: 12 Max Clr: 41 Color in EBC

Recipe Specifics
----------------

Batch Size (L): 45.00 Wort Size (L): 45.00
Total Grain (kg): 7.24
Anticipated OG: 1.045 Plato: 11.29
Anticipated EBC: 30.8
Anticipated IBU: 29.4
Brewhouse Efficiency: 90 %
Wort Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Pre-Boil Amounts
----------------

Evaporation Rate: 15.00 Percent Per Hour
Pre-Boil Wort Size: 52.94 L
Pre-Boil Gravity: 1.039 SG 9.65 Plato

Formulas Used
-------------

Brewhouse Efficiency and Predicted Gravity based on Method #1, Potential Used.
Final Gravity Calculation Based on Points.
Hard Value of Sucrose applied. Value for recipe: 46.2100 ppppg
Yield Type used in Gravity Prediction: Fine Grind Dry Basis.

Color Formula Used: Morey
Hop IBU Formula Used: Rager

Additional Utilization Used For Plug Hops: 2 %
Additional Utilization Used For Pellet Hops: 10 %


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential EBC
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
89.8 6.50 kg. BB Ale Malt Australia 1.038 8
5.5 0.40 kg. Bairds Medium Crystal UK 1.034 160
1.4 0.10 kg. Bairds Amber UK 1.033 133
2.8 0.20 kg. Weyermann Caraaroma Germany 1.034 470
0.6 0.04 kg. Weyermann Carafa Special III Germany 1.035 1748

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
25.00 g. Sticklebract Pellet 11.20 20.5 60 min.
30.00 g. Sticklebract Pellet 11.20 0.0 Dry Hop
15.00 g. Sticklebract Pellet 11.20 6.3 30 min.
20.00 g. Sticklebract Pellet 11.20 2.7 5 min.


Yeast
-----

WYeast 1318 London Ale III


Water Profile
-------------

Profile: Burton On Trent
Profile known for: Strong Pale Ales

Calcium(Ca): 268.0 ppm
Magnesium(Mg): 62.0 ppm
Sodium(Na): 30.0 ppm
Sulfate(SO4): 638.0 ppm
Chloride(Cl): 36.0 ppm
biCarbonate(HCO3): 141.0 ppm

pH: 8.33


Mash Schedule
-------------

Mash Name:

Total Grain kg: 7.24
Total Water Qts: 14.56 - Before Additional Infusions
Total Water L: 13.78 - Before Additional Infusions

Tun Thermal Mass: 0.00
Grain Temp: 20.50 C


Step Rest Start Stop Heat Infuse Infuse Infuse
Step Name Time Time Temp Temp Type Temp Amount Ratio
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Protein Rest 5 20 52 52 Infuse 58 13.78 1.90
Sacc 5 60 65 65 Infuse 90 8.96 3.14


Total Water Qts: 24.03 - After Additional Infusions
Total Water L: 22.74 - After Additional Infusions
Total Mash Volume L: 27.57 - After Additional Infusions

All temperature measurements are degrees Celsius.
All infusion amounts are in Liters.
All infusion ratios are Liters/Kilograms.




Warren -

 

[Lukes]

Sound nice Warren.
A quick search and I found an Irish Brewery that does something similar and even have an Australia day Fest.
M. Jackson (R.I.P.) notes on this are funny.

- Luke

 

[warrenlw63]

Sound nice Warren.
A quick search and I found an Irish Brewery that does something similar and even have an Australia day Fest.
M. Jackson (R.I.P.) notes on this are funny.

- Luke

Yep that would be the Porterhouse Luke... I've had the TSB before when we last went to Dublin and it was mighty nice. :icon_drunk: Can't remember a lot of it because I basically got nailed on their plain porter which is their version of Guinness but nicer with a late hop character and nitro gassed like the real deal.

From memory Bells Micro in Sth. Melb's Special Bitter also had a late hit of Sticklebract. I'm pretty certain that Grand Ridge Gippsland Gold also did the same. Used to love that beer until they dumbed it completely down.

Warren -

 

[warrenlw63]

Sound nice Warren.
A quick search and I found an Irish Brewery that does something similar and even have an Australia day Fest.
M. Jackson (R.I.P.) notes on this are funny.

- Luke

LOL!! :lol: Found the Jackson link... Sounds like I should be adding some "smoked" malt to this beer too. It should pair up well with a pizza. B)

Warren -

 

[THE DRUNK ARAB]

From what I have read and been told, Green Bullet goes well in the darker ales such as stout and porter and having recently purchased some lovely GB flowers from BeerBelly.

Has anyone used it in a schwarzbier style . I want to try it but am weighing up if I go 100% GB or perhaps GB for bittering and a noble German hop like Hersbrucker for flavour/Aroma.

Any suggestions?

C&B
TDA

 

[warrenlw63]

Hey TDA

Gough told me its a great dark beer hop that leaves a "rasiny" type of character. I really love the stuff. To me its sort of European in its character but more assertive in some ways, even with just a 60 minute addition.

In my latest CAP I used it at 60 mins and some Hersbrucker plugs for flavour at 15 minutes. I can still pick some Green Bullet in there. Not unpleasant but it can stand out.

Devo's Green Bullet Ale was a classic example of the hop. He dry hopped it so it was really "in your face" a good hop for this purpose.

Do it but expect it to be a little different.

Warren -

 

[devo]

I'm loving NZ southern cross flowers. I just tapped my IPA and it's winner for heavy bittering.

 

[beers]

I'm loving NZ southern cross flowers. I just tapped my IPA and it's winner for heavy bittering.

I found SC worked quite well in my IPA too. Clean & smooth, slightly fruity, almost pineappley, with a slight citrus tinge I thought.
In the first few weeks it reminded me of pineapple lollies (but that may have been from the malty sweetness of the JW vienna).
I'll be getting some more to use it for bittering an APA. I have no doubt that It would blend well with Nelson Sauvin & the C hops.