Nelson Sauvin In Dark Ale - Quick! Haha

[facter]

Okay guys, I was going to make ross's nelson blonde, but i decided to give it a little color,.... i beleive i went a little overboard and its now actually quite dark, stupid chocolate and roast malt!

I still want to use the nelson, just as an experiment, but i have NO idea how wel it will go in a dark ale - i think the color is around 15-20 srm ....

anyone used this is a darker ale at all? too much? weird flavour?

I'm going to probably do it anyone,b ut if anyone can advise to really NOT do it, let me know...err, within 45 minutes hahahaha

 

[bconnery]

Okay guys, I was going to make ross's nelson blonde, but i decided to give it a little color,.... i beleive i went a little overboard and its now actually quite dark, stupid chocolate and roast malt!

I still want to use the nelson, just as an experiment, but i have NO idea how wel it will go in a dark ale - i think the color is around 15-20 srm ....

anyone used this is a darker ale at all? too much? weird flavour?

I'm going to probably do it anyone,b ut if anyone can advise to really NOT do it, let me know...err, within 45 minutes hahahaha

I cannot remember where I read/heard it but I'm pretty certain someone has.

I say go for it. Nelson Sauvin can do anything!!! ( I might not be the most unbiased person on this issue though. I love this hop! )

I don't see that it wouldn't work.

How much chocolate/roast are we talking?

 

[facter]

I cannot remember where I read/heard it but I'm pretty certain someone has.

I say go for it. Nelson Sauvin can do anything!!! ( I might not be the most unbiased person on this issue though. I love this hop! )

I don't see that it wouldn't work.

How much chocolate/roast are we talking?

i hit about 50 grams of each mate, maybe a little more roast - so the flavour shouldnt be too affected, i think its mostly the color.

stuff it, its on! hahaha

 

[Doc]

I've used it in a Stout before.
Came out great.

Doc

Doc's LOTR Stout

A ProMash Recipe Report

BJCP Style and Style Guidelines
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16-B Stout, Sweet Stout

Min OG: 1.035 Max OG: 1.066
Min IBU: 20 Max IBU: 40
Min Clr: 92 Max Clr: 237 Color in EBC

Recipe Specifics
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Batch Size (L): 23.40 Wort Size (L): 23.40
Total Grain (kg): 6.99
Anticipated OG: 1.064 Plato: 15.64
Anticipated EBC: 144.9
Anticipated IBU: 24.2
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70 %
Wort Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Pre-Boil Amounts
----------------

Evaporation Rate: 10.00 Percent Per Hour
Pre-Boil Wort Size: 27.53 L
Pre-Boil Gravity: 1.054 SG 13.40 Plato

Formulas Used
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Brewhouse Efficiency and Predicted Gravity based on Method #1, Potential Used.
Final Gravity Calculation Based on Points.
Hard Value of Sucrose applied. Value for recipe: 46.2100 ppppg
Yield Type used in Gravity Prediction: Fine Grind Dry Basis.

Color Formula Used: Morey
Hop IBU Formula Used: Rager

Additional Utilization Used For Plug Hops: 2 %
Additional Utilization Used For Pellet Hops: 10 %


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential EBC
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
82.2 5.74 kg. IMC Ale Malt Australia 1.037 8
4.1 0.29 kg. JWM Roast Barley Australia 1.036 1882
4.2 0.29 kg. JWM Caramalt Australia 1.036 74
4.2 0.29 kg. Weyermann Carafa Special I Germany 1.036 1277
4.1 0.29 kg. JWM Chocolate Malt Australia 1.032 1008
1.3 0.09 kg. TF Black Malt UK 1.033 1707

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
9.70 g. Super Alpha Pellet 11.10 15.6 90 min.
5.74 g. Sauvin Pellet 13.00 7.5 40 min.
2.30 g. Sauvin Pellet 13.00 0.8 10 min.
3.44 g. Cascade Pellet 4.50 0.4 10 min.


Extras

Amount Name Type Time
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
1.00 Tsp Irish Moss Fining 15 Min.(boil)


Yeast
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White Labs WLP002 English Ale

 

[blackbock]

I know Ross tried it in his recent Doppelbock. Personally I think its overrated. Sauvin that is...

 

[brendanos]

I had a dream last night that I tasted sauvin in a dark ale and it was good.

 

[facter]

I had a dream last night that I tasted sauvin in a dark ale and it was good.

well, its laid down and sitting all ready .. waiting for it to fire up from the starter.

I guess i'll let you guys know how it went!

I dont think its overly dakr, more of a nut brown/amber .. which is fine - i followed the hopping for ross blonde but did some continuouis hopping around the 15-5 minute mark ...

mmmm. looks good will psot findings when its ready!

 

[mobrien]

Aussie Claret made a fantastic Schwarzbier with all NS. Was out of style, but a bloody good drop :chug:

Cheers Ross

 

[Aussie Claret]

Hi,
As Mobrien said I did make a Shwartz Bier whcih was fantastic all Nelson Sauvin and its still on tap, everyone thats tried it has loved it, the recipe detailed below.
AC

(62) Schwarzbier (Jamil Zainersheff)
Schwarzbier (Black Beer)


Type: All Grain
Date: 6/04/2007
Batch Size: 25.00 L
Brewer: Paul
Boil Size: 32.42 L Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 90 min Equipment: My Equipment
Taste Rating(out of 50): 35.0 Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.0
Taste Notes: Ingredients

Amount Item Type % or IBU
3.20 kg Munich I (Weyermann) (14.0 EBC) Grain 56.3 %
1.80 kg Pilsner (Weyermann) (3.3 EBC) Grain 31.7 %
0.28 kg Chocolate Wheat (Weyermann) (817.6 EBC) Grain 4.9 %
0.20 kg Crystal Malt - 60L (Thomas Fawcett) (118.2 EBC) Grain 3.5 %
0.10 kg Carafa Special I (Weyermann) (630.4 EBC) Grain 1.8 %
0.10 kg Roasted Barley (Thomas Fawcett) (1199.7 EBC) Grain 1.8 %
20.00 gm Nelson Sauvin [13.50%] (20 min) Hops 15.0 IBU
20.00 gm Nelson Sauvin [13.50%] (10 min) Hops 9.0 IBU
20.00 gm Nelson Sauvin [13.50%] (20 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops -
0.54 tsp Koppafloc (Boil 10.0 min) Misc
0.54 tsp Sodium Meta Bisulphate (Mash 60.0 min) Misc
1.09 tbsp Ph 5.2 Staiblizer (Mash 90.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs SafLager German Lager (DCL Yeast #S-189) Yeast-Lager



Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.050 SG
Measured Original Gravity: 1.050 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.011 SG Measured Final Gravity: 1.020 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 5.1 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: 3.9 %
Bitterness: 24.0 IBU Calories: 479 cal/l
Est Color: 60.6 EBC Color: Color


Mash Profile

Mash Name: Single Infusion, Medium Body Total Grain Weight: 5.68 kg
Sparge Water: 16.00 L Grain Temperature: 22.2 C
Sparge Temperature: 75.6 C TunTemperature: 22.2 C
Adjust Temp for Equipment: TRUE Mash PH: 5.4 PH

Name Description Step Temp Step Time
Mash In Add 14.81 L of water at 74.4 C 67.8 C 60 min
Mash Out Add 8.30 L of water at 91.5 C 75.6 C 10 min



Mash Notes: Simple single infusion mash for use with most modern well modified grains (about 95% of the time).
Carbonation and Storage

Carbonation Type: Kegged (Forced CO2) Volumes of CO2: 2.4
Pressure/Weight: 9.0 PSI Carbonation Used: -
Keg/Bottling Temperature: 2.0 C Age for: 28.0 days
Storage Temperature: 2.0 C

Notes

At preboil had 30litres at 1.041, should have had 32.5 at 1.038, so I added 3 litres of water which brought the gravity to 1.0377 (close enough) with correct volume.

 

[johnno]

I made an oatmeal stout in 2005 using NS hops.
This was at 65% eff. These days I am at 75%.
I only used the hop for bittering and was pleased with the results.

Amount Item Type % or IBU
4.00 kg Ale Malt (Powells Malt) (7.9 EBC) Grain 68.4 %
0.40 kg Amber Malt (Joe White) (45.3 EBC) Grain 6.8 %
0.40 kg Chocolate Malt (Joe White) (750.6 EBC) Grain 6.8 %
0.40 kg Oats, Malted (Thomas Fawcett) (3.9 EBC) Grain 6.8 %
0.40 kg Roasted Malt (Joe White) (1199.7 EBC) Grain 6.8 %
0.25 kg Roasted Barley (Joe White) (1398.7 EBC) Grain 4.3 %
22.00 gm Nelson Sauvin [12.70%] (60 min) Hops 29.6 IBU
1 Pkgs Dry English Ale (White Labs #WLP007) [Starter 1000 ml] Yeast-Ale


cheers
johnno

 

[Screwtop]

Tasted a fantastic stout in SA hopped with Chinook, Cascade and Amarillo had a big wow factor. These US hops were just barely detectable, made a beautiful Stout IMHO.

 

[facter]

well, i poured out some three day sold wort int he midst of fermenting jsut because iw as curious.

It isnt as dark as I thought it would be, probably around the 15-17 srm mark I'd say, more about the color of a light dunkel ... and the taste?

wow. this is one very different hop - I dont tihnk I've ever quite tasted the like of it before and it really does live up to it character. im so impressed three days in, that I am seriously thinking of experimenting with it in the raspberry dunkelweizen that I am making this weekend ....


What do you think the flavour of it would go with a wheat would be like? I'm thinking because of the slight fruity taste to it, that it would do exceptionally well ... I'd only use it for bittering and maybe a tiny bit of flavour, but I am worried a little about the high alpha "harshness" thats been reported when its used as a bittering hop

this was my end recipe btw

West Nelson Ale (Partial Mash)





Min OG:  1.045   Max OG:  1.060

Min IBU:	30   Max IBU:	54

Min Clr:	 5   Max Clr:	14  Color in SRM, Lovibond



Recipe Specifics

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Batch Size (L):		  23.00	Wort Size (L):	 23.00

Total Grain (kg):		 4.90

Anticipated OG:		  1.051	Plato:			 12.55

Anticipated SRM:		  14.1

Anticipated IBU:		  33.6

Brewhouse Efficiency:	   75 %

Wort Boil Time:			 60	Minutes







Grain/Extract/Sugar



   %	 Amount	 Name						  Origin		Potential SRM

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

 20.4	 1.00 kg.  Maris Otter				   england		1.030	  3

 10.2	 0.50 kg.  Wheat Malt					America		1.038	  2

 30.6	 1.50 kg.  Generic LME - Light		   Generic		1.035	  7

 30.6	 1.50 kg.  Pale Malt(2-row)			  America		1.036	  2

  6.1	 0.30 kg.  Crystal 40L				   America		1.034	 40

  1.0	 0.05 kg.  Roasted Barley				France		 1.030	550

  1.0	 0.05 kg.  Chocolate Malt				France		 1.032	350









Hops



   Amount	 Name							  Form	Alpha  IBU  Boil Time

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

 23.00 g.	 Perle							 Pellet   6.00  19.7  60 min.

  5.00 g.	 nelson sauvin					 Pellet  12.00   2.3  20-15 min.

  5.00 g.	 nelson sauvin					 Pellet  12.00   1.7  10-5 min.

 20.00 g.	 nelson sauvin					 Pellet  12.00   5.7  5-1 min.

 15.00 g.	 nelson sauvin					 Pellet  12.00   4.3  1 min.

 25.00 g.	 nelson sauvin					 Pellet  12.00   0.0  0 min.





Yeast

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1056 American Ale

I did some continuous hopping around the 20-1 minute mark jsut as an experiment, adding little portions after the larger portion of each portion (thats a lot of portions!).. if you get what i mean.


I have a feeling that this is going to be a fantastic beer.

 

[brendanos]

What do you think the flavour of it would go with a wheat would be like?

IMHO.... put NS in everything!!!

 

[facter]

just to report, I am making this again tomorrow as this keg got finished last week.

It is possibly one of the best beers I have ever made, and was also rated as such by my regular beer dirnking boys who taste most of my concoctions.

it wasnt even all that dark, but the darker malts really combined perfectly with the NS.



I've never made the same beer twice, and i cant wait to do it again!!

 

[DarkFaerytale]

cheers for the recipe factor, added it to my promash (but put the 2-row and MO up to 2kg each and left out the extract) looking forward to making it when i decide to make a few brews with this hop

-Phill

 

[facter]

cheers for the recipe factor, added it to my promash (but put the 2-row and MO up to 2kg each and left out the extract) looking forward to making it when i decide to make a few brews with this hop

-Phill

Hey Phill - yeah, let me know how it goes - I've got a partial mashing atm, I subbed out some of he crystal for some carared - it was already quite a reddish ale but wanted to see if I could brighten it a bit.

I'm looking forward to buying my new esky next week .. have my manifolds and everything, and then this recipe is going to be my first All Grain recipe (making the jump! woot!) - so I'll do exactly what you did and sub in the extra MO and pale - so yeah, will be interested to hear how yours goes!

I just did mine with the standard 1056, but this one would probably also taste great with the slightly fruitier American Ale II I reckon.

 

[Muggus]

From personal experience, I think Nelson Sauvin hops probably would work in a dark beer, preferably an ale though and maybe not exclusively.
I made an Imperial style stout and hopped the hell out of it with Cascade and Amarillo and the fruity aromatics are amazing, contrasting excellently with the rich roasted malts adding to complexity of the beer.