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Modus Sonic Prayer clone ?

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  1. mongey

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    Posted 5/12/18
    I like this beer . cant seem to find any recipes for it online

    the website says its Munich, Wheat ,carahell

    any ideas what ratio would work with these malts in an IPA ?

    my munich use up to now has been as an enhancer ,rather than a main malt .

    Cara hell I got no idea.
     
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    Posted 5/12/18
    I'd be pretty sure there would be a big chunk of base malt behind the munich but don't actually know.

    I've done IPA's before with 70% pale 15% munich 10% wheat and the rest Crystal which is kind of like Carahell.

    I think the hops would be the main driver for getting something close to a clone of this one.
    It's been a while since tasting but my notes say Pine, stonefruit and lots of citrus.

    I thought it might be Haalartau Saaz and Cascade - but of course they use Cascade Motueka and Pacific Jade.
    I just listed hops I'd used before with similar flavour/aroma.

    Hope someone can help you a bit more than I have :)
     
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    Looks like their convention is to list the malts in descending order, and on their other beers they list "Pale" first, which implies this one is majority Munich, which is pretty weird. Maybe it's just an error, or maybe they distinguish between "Pale" malt and "Ale" malt, and just leave the "Ale" malt out of all their labels.

    (EDIT: Nope - many of their beers list both Pale and Ale in the malts section, so unless this one breaks with their convention, it really does have a big whack of Munich!)

    Without knowing what's going on there, I'd be very cautious about proceeding to design a recipe, because I really wouldn't expect more than....say 20% tops Munich in an IPA.

    Wheat is probably around 10%, Carahell probably 2-5%....if I had to guess I'd say 15% Munich, which leaves 70-73% base malt.

    But maybe it really is largely munich, lightened up by a LOT of malted wheat? I guess you could do that...haven't run the numbers at all though. If I was going down that path I guess I'd start with about 50/45/5 Munich/Wheat/Cara and adjust those ratios until Beersmith says the colour is right...
     
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    Posted 5/12/18
    thanks

    Yeah the others seem to be in descending order

    I did an IPA with 15% Munich a few batches ago and while i like it it is def pushing the Munich limit for me . which is why I was surprised as i drink a can of the sonic prayer fairly often, say 1 a week ,and like it .I don't get that extra munichy vibe

    maybe I'll email them and see if they can push me in the right direction

    I started mapping it out in brewers friend and put 48/48/4 just to see and the color is pretty spot on . b
     
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    LOL your ratios are pretty close to my tried and tested ones.

    I'd be surprised if it had such a huge amount of Munich as I find it gives a very malty and kind of thick taste (don't know how to describe it)
    and my notes an this beer include - little malt taste slightly watery but still enough malt to balance the hops.
    If it had a huge amount of wheat I would have thought I'd pick it up too.

    I'd stick close to the ratios above and experiment with the hops first, at least that way you'll have a decent IPA and can experiment further once you've got the hops in the ballpark.
     
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    Posted 5/12/18
    Always worth a shot. Some brewers are quite happy to give you ingredient ratios while others guard them like their life depends on it.
     
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    I regularly use ~50% munich, have gone up to 100%, same with wheat.
    It could quite possibly be something like 50% munich 1, 45% wheat, 5% cara as theseekerr suggested. The beer does have a fair bit of colour, bordering on amber / light red, but is much drier than an amber ale. Mash low and go go go.
    and you absolutely must listen to Earthless while brewing it.

     
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    Wow so the munich and wheat kind of balance each other - interesting.
    As for the link, so prog rock based I might need to check Earthless out as well :)
     
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    Posted 5/12/18
    Just grabbed one from botttlo and drinking it now and it may be my mind playing tricks but I am getting a Munich whack I haven’t really thought about before.

    Like Liam said with a low dry mash it might just be right on.
     
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    Posted 6/12/18
    I have done a couple of Munich IPA SMASH brews. They are really tasty.

    I'd try

    55% Light Munich (10L)
    40% Wheat Malt
    5% Carahell
     

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