I'm in the MM crowd, well I did run the recent bulk buy for them, and did so based on quality. However if your just starting out, there are still some secondhand KK mills floating about, mine is still in the malt cupboard and in very good condition, I've been too sick, busy and lazy to post it up forsale. Most have gone at around the $60-$80 mark, (good buying at that price) as will mine when I get my butt into gear and put it in the Buy and sell section of the forum.