Jaffa Beer (choc + Orange)

[MarkBastard]

I was thinking about making a beer with chocolate and orange flavours using only malt and hops.

I want the chocolate flavours from a stout without the burnt flavours. More like a sweeter brown ale. For the orange I was thinking Amarillo. Any other hops give off orange?

Wanted to make it at about 4% with a high FG.

Inspiration was a 'pre-dawn ale'. Something you'd drink for breakfast if you got up before the sun did.

 

[sim]

For the choc character im thinking a mixture of Dark munich, munich II, touch of Brown or pale choc.

As for the orange id go challenger and a something NZ like Riwaka combination.

im actually doing a marmelade porter next week, so its been on my mind, and id like to hear how you go.


sim

 

[manticle]

Amarillo gives me mandarin but more recent crops have also given a bit of passionfruit.

I'd be going for challenger and styrian goldings.

 

[Thefatdoghead]

In Gordon Strongs "brewing better beer" he mentions steeping dark grains in cold water for 24hrs then adding to the boil the last 5-10mins and this will give the roast flavours without the acrid burnt flavours as if you mashed or steeped the dark grain in hot water (sparge stage) . He said you can also add the steeped water to the fermenter to taste and either of these method's is perfect for a sweet stout.
I'm doing a Porter on Thursday using the method so i'll see how it goes.

 

[GrumpyPaul]

I am only a mere Kits & Bits and occasional Extract Brewer - I am first to admit I have a lot to learn about brewing. But it doesnt stop the inner mad scientist in me experimenting.

I tried a Jaffa brew recently - I would not call it a great success but I wouldnt call it a complete failure either.

Heres a link to what I tried

I went overboard on the cocoa - the end result is something you cant see light through at all. It looks like muddy water.

Its ugly - But it is quite drinkable. A fair bit of bitterness ( from the cocoa I assume) but a very nice Jaffa smell and taste from the orange zest.

It is going to take a while to drink 23 litres of it - but it isnt getting tipped out thats for sure


I doubt I can teach any of you guys anything - but I will be watching this thread to learn a bit more about where I went wrong.

 

[MarkBastard]

Thanks for the input so far guys. I'll probably refrain from using orange peels or cocoa. It's not that I'm a purist, I'm just more after a 'beer' that has at least hints of chocolate and orange. It doesn't need to be anything crazy, just the best I can achieve while still only using malt and hops.

 

[Dazza88]

Funny how most citrus hops don't really equal orange but usually passionfruit etc.

freshly crushed coriander seed = orange