Is coopers halal?

[Crusty]

:icon_offtopic: Another thing to boycott

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4204159.htm

Crusty you might not like what was said but rather than calling him a tosser try to understand his view and reasons for saying them and crafting an intelligent rebuttal if found wanting.

Makes you look cooler.

I fully understand his point of view & his right to support who or what he wants & it is entirely up to him. I make no judgement of his views but labelling me bigatory is a bit harsh. I called him a tosser for twisting my post to make me out to be racist. I dont know the guy personally & he may be a great bloke. We simply have different views on this subject. We do however share the same interest in brewing so if he was ever in my neck of the woods, I wouldn't hesitate to offer him a beer regardless of our difference of opinion.

 

[BJB]

I fully understand his point of view & his right to support who or what he wants & it is entirely up to him. I make no judgement of his views but labelling me bigatory is a bit harsh. I called him a tosser for twisting my post to make me out to be racist. I dont know the guy personally & he may be a great bloke. We simply have different views on this subject. We do however share the same interest in brewing so if he was ever in my neck of the woods, I wouldn't hesitate to offer him a beer regardless of our difference of opinion.

I share your point of view Crusty, I maybe wrong and I have been wrong in the past. Australia and what our fathers and grandfathers fought for means a lot to me. Now for all the racist crap.

 

[elcarter]

I fully understand his point of view & his right to support who or what he wants & it is entirely up to him. I make no judgement of his views but labelling me bigatory is a bit harsh. I called him a tosser for twisting my post to make me out to be racist. I dont know the guy personally & he may be a great bloke. We simply have different views on this subject. We do however share the same interest in brewing so if he was ever in my neck of the woods, I wouldn't hesitate to offer him a beer regardless of our difference of opinion.

Much cooler, Nailed it.

 

[BJB]

Makes you proud to be a part of it really.

 

[goomboogo]

^I have witnessed cattle being slaughtered by 'Muslim Kill'. They were stunned as in the Non-Religious panel of your diagram. In Australia, to do otherwise would see the kill floor shut down.

 

[AndrewQLD]

Halal certified? Just another marketing tool that company's are jumping on in order to increase their market share. No different to the Tick foundation, heart smart, low carb, high fibre, Kosher certified ect.

 

[Liam_snorkel]

Halal certified? Just another marketing tool that company's are jumping on in order to increase their market share. No different to the Tick foundation, heart smart, low carb, high fibre, Kosher certified ect.

Absolutely bang-on, that's all it is.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Halal certified? Just another marketing tool that company's are jumping on in order to increase their market share. No different to the Tick foundation, heart smart, low carb, high fibre, Kosher certified ect.

Exactly. Before 9/11 we would not have given a ****.

My family doctor as a kid is a Muslim. Dr Mustafa Shehab. Hell of a doctor and all round great bloke. Did a lot for the community. I heard recently that about 18mnths ago he was returning from Egypt and was stopped at the airport coming back home and taken away and strip searched. He is in his late 60's and an Australian citizen.

Just think, 15 years ago we would not be 7 pages into a thread about a Halal food.

And interestingly, the IRA are responsible for more terrorist acts than all of the acts of terror made by muslims

How the **** did we get to this point......

 

[Killer Brew]

Just dont get me started on vegan certification. No way on Gods ( or Allah's ) earth am I giving up steak or bacon.


Interestingly it cost more to change the artwork on a product label that it costs for " insert certification here"

I reckon we should start boycotting printers for raising the cost of food.

This. A minor cost in the grand scheme. Tim Tams are halal certified, get exported to Indo. As said previously compare how much the Heart Foundation tick costs vs Halal certification. So tired of this misinformation designed by the uneducated to play to the fears of the even less educated.

 

[Eagleburger]

And interestingly, the IRA are responsible for more terrorist acts than all of the acts of terror made by muslims

They were freedom fighters.

 

[Liam_snorkel]

don't think they've beheaded any journalists or aid workers recently, though.

 

[timmyf]

And interestingly, the IRA are responsible for more terrorist acts than all of the acts of terror made by muslims

I have an extremely hard time believing this...sources?

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

I have an extremely hard time believing this...sources?

Why do you have a hard time believing this.....an act of terror is an act of terror ......isnt it.....

 

[Eagleburger]

I have an extremely hard time believing this...sources?

Acts on Muslims are just part of everyday.

 

[KevinR]

Done to increase their market?Certification costs money,this cost is passed on to the end user,us.If not passed on as a higher product cost then we may suspect that the quality of the product has been comprised.
I for one are not prepared to pay extra or except a lower quality product because the manufacturer wishes to pander to some minority group.
No more Coopers products for me.

 

[spog]

Halal certified? Just another marketing tool that company's are jumping on in order to increase their market share. No different to the Tick foundation, heart smart, low carb, high fibre, Kosher certified ect.

You missed one important,namby pamby,P C. , gimme a warm fuzzy feeling.....blah blah, Permeate free !

 

[Black Devil Dog]

Maybe Ducatiboy Stu just meant from the 1970's to the mid 90's.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks

 

[manticle]

Done to increase their market?Certification costs money,this cost is passed on to the end user,us.If not passed on as a higher product cost then we may suspect that the quality of the product has been comprised.
I for one are not prepared to pay extra or except a lower quality product because the manufacturer wishes to pander to some minority group.
No more Coopers products for me.

Put those savings to good use mate.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Maybe Ducatiboy Stu just meant from the 1970's to the mid 90's.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks

Yep

Apples v Appels

 

[Mr. No-Tip]

Looks like there's an untapped market in unnecessarily and inexplicably intolerant homebrew ingredients and accessories.

 

[Black Devil Dog]

And interestingly, the IRA are responsible for more terrorist acts than all of the acts of terror made by muslims

Well maybe you should post your apples so we can compare them.

 

[luggy]

Just drank a cooper's green, was tasty with no hint of funding terrorism at all

 

[timmyf]

Why do you have a hard time believing this.....an act of terror is an act of terror ......isnt it.....

OK. Not sure what you're actually saying here, but I'll elaborate.

Post 9/11, Islamic terrorism has far and away been the most prolific in terms of attack frequency and deaths.

The IRA do have the upper hand in both organisation and time (been around since the 1910's), so I do not doubt that the number of acts committed by them is high, I just have a hard time believing that it's greater than every act of Islamic terrorism as you stated.

I just did a quick search by perpetrator on the global terror database: From 1970-2013 the IRA committed 2673 acts. Over the same period (I just put in the big boys Al-Qa'ida, Boko Haram, ISIL, Taliban) there were 4231 acts attributed to these organisations.

Of course this doesn't go back far enough to take into account all of the IRAs actions, but it certainly doesn't cover all the bases when it comes to Islamic terror acts either.

 

[Liam_snorkel]

Done to increase their market?Certification costs money,this cost is passed on to the end user,us.If not passed on as a higher product cost then we may suspect that the quality of the product has been comprised.
I for one are not prepared to pay extra or except a lower quality product because the manufacturer wishes to pander to some minority group.
No more Coopers products for me.

I honestly can't believe people think that having someone check their malt extract process for evidence of bacon once a year would add any real cost to the production of beer. Malt extract is inherently halal, and it means that Coopers can sell their malt to anyone, without having to check whether the product would end up in something designated as halal. It's like a big tick saying "yes, you can on-sell this product to anyone!" This means more profit for coopers, which means cheaper beer for us. If you c*nts hate muslims so much, why don't you want Coopers to take their money? Is it dirty?

 

[technobabble66]

Done to increase their market?Certification costs money,this cost is passed on to the end user,us.If not passed on as a higher product cost then we may suspect that the quality of the product has been comprised.
I for one are not prepared to pay extra or except a lower quality product because the manufacturer wishes to pander to some minority group.
No more Coopers products for me.

1) Have you or anyone else here actually checked what these charges/costs are?
FWIW, i just checked the official Halal site for the Malaysian government. The charges for a large slaughterhouse for 2 years of certification is MYR$700. That's roughly AUD$200, or $100 per year. Now i'd assume there's a more expensive charge here in the Land of Freedom, however, i'd guess it's still not that much ..... ... ... so i just checked the Halal Australia site: yep, more expensive ... $110 per year.
Wow, that's gotta add, what, $0.00001 per kg of beef?
It seems to be similar costs for most types of businesses.
The sort of charge involved here would mean you'd need to regularly buy products for a lifetime before you'd contribute $1 to the any nefarious group.


I for one are not prepared to pay extra ... because the manufacturer wishes to pander to some minority group.

2) Does this mean you never buy anything from a publicly listed company (e.g.: Westfarmers, Myers, utility companies, etc). You're definitely paying more in Australia for products from those companies which are (successfully) pursuing higher profits for their shareholders (= a minority group). It's an obtuse comparison, i'll grant you, but the same logic applies.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Post 9/11, Islamic terrorism has far and away been the most prolific reported in terms of attack frequency and deaths.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Just found a site full of missinformation and stuff

http://www.afgc.org.au/about-afgc/our-policies/halal-certification/

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

1) Have you or anyone else here actually checked what these charges/costs are?
FWIW, i just checked the official Halal site for the Malaysian government. The charges for a large slaughterhouse for 2 years of certification is MYR$700. That's roughly AUD$200, or $100 per year. Now i'd assume there's a more expensive charge here in the Land of Freedom, however, i'd guess it's still not that much ..... ... ... so i just checked the Halal Australia site: yep, more expensive ... $110 per year.
Wow, that's gotta add, what, $0.00001 per kg of beef?
It seems to be similar costs for most types of businesses.
The sort of charge involved here would mean you'd need to regularly buy products for a lifetime before you'd contribute $1 to the any nefarious group.


I for one are not prepared to pay extra ... because the manufacturer wishes to pander to some minority group.

2) Does this mean you never buy anything from a publicly listed company (e.g.: Westfarmers, Myers, utility companies, etc). You're definitely paying more in Australia for products from those companies which are (successfully) pursuing higher profits for their shareholders (= a minority group). It's an obtuse comparison, i'll grant you, but the same logic applies.

Ease up there Techno...In Australia, from what I have read on the internet, and pages on Facebook, Halal certification cost about $3,154 per item produced on average.

This is the REAL reason Australian businesses are going broke. Cant believe you guys have let it slide for so long and not spoken up about it.

 

[antiphile]

On a slightly related tangent, I recently got a new dishwasher for mum. Now, I know I'm dreadfully ignorant on most or all religions in terms of their beliefs, but it struck me as a little unusual that the instructions advise that in order to satisfy Kosher requirements for the dishwasher installation, the drains need to be separated, and they suggest you contact your local rabbi. Fortunately for mum it wasn't a problem.

 

[technobabble66]

Ease up there Techno...In Australia, from what I have read on the internet, and pages on Facebook, Halal certification cost about $3,154 per item produced on average.

This is the REAL reason Australian businesses are going broke. Cant believe you guys have let it slide for so long and not spoken up about it.

Sorry, i stand corrected.
Gee, no wonder Vegemite costs so much!*
Maybe the ATO should just become a Halal Certifying Organisation - they'd make heaps more munny.

Funnily enough, i first discovered the Malaysian Halal site via a link on the Infidels4Islam webpage QldKev posted a few pages ago. They (I4I) alleged some ridiculous amount of money the Halal Certification process raises globally (like a few trillion $'s, i think?), citing that Malaysian website as evidence of the claim. The ignorant arseholes didn't even check their own linked evidence. All the Malaysian site basically indicated was how low the charge was, and hence how highly inaccurate the I4I claim would likely be.
However, it's probably not surprising given the I4I webpage spends more space trying to explain how big $1 trillion is and then illustrate it with mounds of cash in relative size. I was literally gobsmacked that they actually felt like they needed to do that - how stupid are they assuming their own audience is?!?



* and dishwashers. Thanks antiphile!