Ill-gotten keg fiends

[philmud]

http://craftypint.com/news/post/the-great-keg-robbery/

Incredible how many go missing. The culture of AHB obviously takes a dim view to stolen kegs, which is awesome.

 

[Yob]

#1: http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/richmond/miscellaneous-goods/beer-kegs-50l/1058050690

#2 http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/wildwood/miscellaneous-goods/keg-for-sale/1054486666

 

[DU99]

If the breweries are that worried about it they should contact e/bay and gumtree and make them aware that people who sell those kegs are selling stolen property.

 

[Yob]

Pretty sure it's not gumtree responsibility, impossible to police from their end, we as the community are more able to report.

 

[Fat Bastard]

If the big breweries gave a hoot, they'd make it easier to return found kegs. I've still got the Little Creatures keg I found on the roadside. That's despite the fact they have my address, phone number and a string of emails asking them to come and get it like they said they would. It's been a year or more now. I figure it's mine!

 

[manticle]

Might help if there weren't piles of them left out in the street outside nearly every pub in melbourne.

 

[StalkingWilbur]

Might help if there weren't piles of them left out in the street outside nearly every pub in melbourne.

Yeah. And if you ever leave your car unlocked in the street you deserve for people to steal your stuff from inside it.

 

[manticle]

I'm not saying people deserve it, mr sarcasm. However, if a high proportion of cars in car parks left unlocked got stolen, do you think people might consider changing their habits?

You want to limit thievery, start by limiting access.

 

[Flash_DG]

Yeah. And if you ever leave your car unlocked in the street you deserve for people to steal your stuff from inside it.

Not even the same thing. Now if he left all his stuff on the bonnet then it would be the same.

 

[StalkingWilbur]

Not even the same thing. Now if he left all his stuff on the bonnet then it would be the same.

So if I leave MY wallet on MY bonnet then I'm to blame for it being stolen?

 

[spog]

well if the breweries ever get serious and launch a dob in a keg relocator hotline,i am going to do some dobbing and get rich!
no,just joking.as FB said he still has the one he found and done the right thing yet had no positive outcome.
cheers...spog...

 

[StalkingWilbur]

I came into possession of a Matso's keg. Spoke to them on Facebook, they asked for address so someone could come pick it up. I dropped it off to a local bar instead. A carton got delivered to my door.

I don't think one story is justification for people not really caring. Especially the micros.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

If the big breweries gave a hoot, they'd make it easier to return found kegs. I've still got the Little Creatures keg I found on the roadside. That's despite the fact they have my address, phone number and a string of emails asking them to come and get it like they said they would. It's been a year or more now. I figure it's mine!

Send them one more email staing that as they have not made any effort to reclaim said keg that in 28 days you will be claiming it as your property

 

[Flash_DG]

So if I leave MY wallet on MY bonnet then I'm to blame for it being stolen?

You've entirely missed the point of Manticle's post

 

[DU99]

It's the micro's that do it hard,every cent goes into to what they do...if a keg goes missing it's something that comes of there pocket,where as mega guys write it off

 

[mfeighan]

if pubs got a rebate per keg returned say 10% they would care more about locking it up

 

[real_beer]

.......................... It's been a year or more now. I figure it's mine!

It is until you cut the top off & drill a few holes in it then you can bet within a week someome would suddenly turn up on your doorstep to pick it up :unsure: :lol:

 

[DU99]

they know who buy's from them..a deposit scheme might be in order

 

[manticle]

So if I leave MY wallet on MY bonnet then I'm to blame for it being stolen?

Read what was written. No-one said anything about blame or fault. Practicality is another matter. You should be able to leave a wallet full of cash on the street in the morning and pick it up in the evening (and if I found it, I would make every effort to return it to you) but if you did and it got stolen, would you deliberately leave another there again or rethink your security strategy?

 

[StalkingWilbur]

Yeah. Of course I would.

Okay, I've read what you've written without inferring anything that hasn't been said. So what do you mean that it would be easier if the kegs weren't outside pubs? Who should do something about it? What, if anyone, should they be doing and are they to blame for not doing it already?

 

[GrumpyPaul]

Yeah. And if you ever leave your car unlocked in the street you deserve for people to steal your stuff from inside it.

So if I leave MY wallet on MY bonnet then I'm to blame for it being stolen?

I came into possession of a Matso's keg. Spoke to them on Facebook, they asked for address so someone could come pick it up. I dropped it off to a local bar instead. A carton got delivered to my door.

I don't think one story is justification for people not really caring. Especially the micros.

Ohhhh WIlburrrr.

 

[StalkingWilbur]

I don't understand the post? It came as part of a kegerator and I went out of my way to return it. If that's what you're getting at.

 

[Tahoose]

Suppose It's a bit hard to demand a deposit on your kegs when your the micro brewery and your the one trying to get your beer on tap.

I think most of the responsibility here goes to the publican.

On the flip side of the coin this has opened up the market for companies like kegstar, they lease the kegs to the brewery and then using a barcode tagging system they track the movements of the kegs. Then re-supply you with kegs when you need them.

(That's my understanding anyway)

I know Mornington Brewery are using them.

 

[manticle]

@wilbur: If you read what I've written you would remove the notion of blame. I've made that abundantly clear.
Now we are on the same page, I am suggesting that in practical terms, the system that allows piles of product to sit unfettered and unguarded in the middle of the street is problematic and closely linked with bulk product going missing. Be smart, lock your **** up.

Blame is not relevant (except when placed at the thief's/thieves' door but if you want to live in a world where thieves don't exist, I know where you can get prescription drugs at low cost).

I didn't say anything about being easier either. I initially said 'it might help'. If I need to extrapolate from that I would say it might help prevent thievery/retain product if large amounts of said product were not left for hours, unguarded, in public spaces.
Remember we are not talking about one or two going missing - we are talking multiples turning up in warehouses for on sale at profit. Black market thievery. Why wouldn't you secure your product?

 

[MastersBrewery]

manticle,
to some degree I disagree, if i served you a beer in a Chrystal glass I'd expect the glass returned and to some degree you to take care with my glass wear. If you go to a pub and order a beer the publican won't agree with you smashing or taking home every other glass home. The vessels containing the product are not are not included in the contract of purchase (ie you are not purchasing the vessel ), in a Pub if the vessel is some how damaged your purchase is replaced. I even before I was brewing and while I was working in the industry found it quite alarming that businesses would place their suppliers assets on the street. Yes it's an issue but it is only something that the majors can start sorting out and create a new 'norm' in the pick up and delivery of kegs. The Pubs and clubs will follow what ever stipulations are laid down as we do for our local garbage pick up. As was said at the start of this thread it's the little guys that wear this sort of thing as a cost that really impacts their bottom line ,,,,, and therefore price at the tap .... I'm sure there's not a brewer here that dosen't want True South to have their 100 kegs back or Holgate or Stone and Wood etc, it may mean your pint next year isn't that 10c more and the year after and so on.

It's an industry problem that has been around for years, I think we all agree it needs fixing, one pub/club, or brewery isn't going to solve the problem, it needs to be industry wide and for the sake of a pint I hope it happens soon.

MB

ED: A further thought came to mind : In most states it is illegal to leave goods unsecured, hence the reason you may find breweries reluctant to approach authorities.

 

[stakka82]

So if I leave MY wallet on MY bonnet then I'm to blame for it being stolen?

Yeah.

 

[manticle]

I said the system needs fixing, not that the responsibility lies with the brewery.

Why on earth does anyone think it's a good idea for valuable product to lie around, in bulk, accessible for hours at all hours?
It's hardly heretical, illogical or blame the victim mentality to suggest working out a system where securing a product and encouraging clients to do likewise is a good way to stop theft.
I'm surprised this concept is hard to grasp.

 

[StalkingWilbur]

Read the post above yours. That's why it's hard to gasp and easy to assume.

 

[manticle]

You mean the post that says 'yeah' or the one from masters brewery I was responding to?

I'm pretty sure my point is fairly well explained so I will avoid doing the disservice of belabouring the same point again. By all means leave large numbers of valuable things in public and be surprised when some prick steals and sells them. Moral and ethical culpability are as practically relevant as the diameter of my cat's sphincter.

 

[StalkingWilbur]

The one word answer clearly showing that some people do (and I've encountered it many times from people who start a discussion like yours and move quickly to placing all blame on the pubs) have a blame the victim mentality.

Actually, I've witnessed it far too often from examples like the one I cited through to women being to blame for being sexually assaulted because they were wearing revealing clothing. It's ********. It's usually uneducated, white trash that have never been victimized and believe that's proof of causation that what they do is right.