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[fdsaasdf]

It is a pretty pointless comparison, really. In actual use, you have the weight of both the water and grain pushing down on the screen, which then keeps it stable. The reality of usage is completely different to him holding the thing up on its side

My comment was based on the flimsiness of the entire unit, nothing to do with any contrived sideways mashing.

 

[nifty]

Nope, the way that he has it in is right. If you have it in the other way, when the weight of the grain pushes down the middle of the screen it can cause the edges to lift, which can theoretically cause the screen to fall out of the bottom of the malt pipe. The way that he has it, the weight of the grain pushing down on the screen will make it spread outwards further and keep it nicely wedged in the malt pipe.

I've been using my 50lt guten for 18 months now with the bottom screen the other way around from what he is showing and have not once had any grain come through or the bottom screen deform and push through. I've done 7, 8, 9 and 10kg grain batches and it has never looked like it would push through with the weigh of the grain.

My model was purchased before any of the local homebrew shops imported them, so maybe the model specs changed from when i bought to now.

cheers
steve

 

[York]

My comment was based on the flimsiness of the entire unit, nothing to do with any contrived sideways mashing.

I looked at that video and it was pretty obvious where the sympathies lay. Good way to destroy a product reputation though.

 

[goatchop41]

I've been using my 50lt guten for 18 months now with the bottom screen the other way around from what he is showing and have not once had any grain come through or the bottom screen deform and push through. I've done 7, 8, 9 and 10kg grain batches and it has never looked like it would push through with the weigh of the grain.

My model was purchased before any of the local homebrew shops imported them, so maybe the model specs changed from when i bought to now.

cheers
steve

You'll note the word "theoretically" in my post. I'm not saying that it will, I'm saying that it could

 

[goatchop41]

My comment was based on the flimsiness of the entire unit, nothing to do with any contrived sideways mashing.

I think that you'll find that the entire unit is quite robust (especially the circuit board, which is significantly better quality than the RB). Besides the thinner plates inside the malt pipe, exactly what other things in the video were comparatively flimsy?

 

[wide eyed and legless]

My comment was based on the flimsiness of the entire unit, nothing to do with any contrived sideways mashing.

I will agree the malt pipe is a thinner gauge, doesn't have any effect on performance, Robo Brew 1,2, and 3 were all heavier gauge than the Guten pity the circuit boards weren't up to the job, mine is over 2 years old now and has done more brews than most. The Brewzilla is new and with 3 elements, best wait 2 years before doing any crowing. 'The proof of the pudding is in the eating'

 

[razz]

Thank you Weal for using the correct phrase for “the pudding” Every time someone on tv says it they stuff it up. “The proof is in the pudding” aaagghhh. Sorry folks, completely off topic and rant over.

 

[malliemcg]

Hi all,

I hope this is the right place to be posting this. My lovely wife just gifted to me a 40L guten , a very happy man I am. However I have bumped into an issue, I can not for the life of me work out how to save a program. I fiddled with the guten this evening to clean it out, familiarise myself with it and get ready for a brew next weekend after I get all the ingredients. I think I've managed to set the temperature correctly (+2.3C for the C1 value) for Canberra so that the controller will recognise that the liquid is boiling (prior to setting that, it the boil countdown would not kick off) ; No idea what the C2 is used for so left it alone.

The issue I have though is successfully saving a recipie. I go through the process of holding down POWER + TIMER for 5 seconds, selecting a recipie slot, programming it all out. Then I hold down the MANUAL/PAUSE button for 5 seconds (and then when I release it, a noise happens). However if I power the machine off, or next time I select that recipie slot everything is back to factory defaults. I am pretty sure that I am misinterpreting something in the manual, and was hoping someone with a little more experience might be able to point me in the right direction to save a recipie.

M

Follow up - I think I've worked it out (found some other instructions for one of the US branded variants of this device).

The key was
1) Program the brew and hit Auto at the end, until the default "Blank" (temperature only) screen is displaying.
2) Hit the Manual/Pause button
3) Press the Manual/Pause button (a series of musical chime tones will sound).

The recipie should be saved over power cycles.

 

[lespaul]

I would check the temp against a scientific thermometer. Mine was out by a degree to begin with and that's at sea level.
Enjoy the brew equipment!!!

 

[krz]

Today I think I pushed the 50L Guten to its limit.
I attempted this recipe "Bell's Two Hearted IPA" but scaled up for the Guten 50L.
The grain bill totalled 13.48kg into 35 litres mash.
I ended up only getting 12.7kg into the 35 litres, probably next time try the 13.48 into 30L.
Anyway here a few pictures.

This is the mash with about 12kg grain into the 35 Litres of water. pump is off.

Full 12.7kg grain is in, but without top plate.
Pump is on slightly.
Note the lifting holes are now submerged!

Now I stop the pump, and the lifting holes become visible.
But because the end of the return pipe is submerged, you dont know if its flowing.
I want to put the top filter screen on, but I cant because its still too high.

So, I take out about 4 litres via the pump (i later return the wort), so that I can unscrew the top malt pip connector in order to slide on the top filter screen.
I connect a silicone tube to the return pipe, so I can monitor the flow rate.
Now the top screen is on and there is a flow rate, and the wort is not exiting via the lifting holes - just.

Im not going to stand there all day holding the silicone hose, so I stick it in the lid hole so that it doesnt fall out of the pot.
Also, I can monitor and adjust the flow rate.

My Conclusion.

Thats about the limit of the 50L Guten.
After sparge I ended up with 45 litres, and after boil about 42L. SG was 1.060 target was 1.068.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

Reg Holt suggested the all thread going across the malt pipe blocking the holes and also providing a handle for lifting. Not only that if you leave enough thread on the out side of the holes it means you can lift the malt pipe that bit higher, resting the protruding thread on the wire rim. Boil off should be about 5 litres per hour, did you measure the remaining wort while still hot, or after cooling?
This is what I did with the Brau Wolf but the supporting bracket is triangular so it didn't work.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

Another question, how the hell did you lift it? It took me three goes to lift almost 12 kg of wet grain from the mash tun, maybe I should have put it on the deck.

 

[lespaul]

@krz do you have the gravity reading from the 35lt mash? Just out of curiosity

 

[Ballaratguy]

Ok guys I’m about to modify your idea about the lifting holes in the malt pipe
I’ve got 2 x 1/2” bolts & nuts (the bolts are 40mm long) the bolts will be put through the malt pipe from the outside leaving the bolt head on the outside of the malt pipe. This will allow the malt pipe to sit as normal in the Guten. Or the malt pie can be lifted and turned to allow the bolt heads to rest on the wire thus raising the malt pipe
I’m also going to make spring loaded lifting handle which will have a pipe welded to the ends of the lifting handle (the advantage of being able to weld stainless steel). These pipes will then slip over the bolt ends allowing the malt pipe to be lifted (I’m also going to make a small gantry crane for this)
By doing it this way you are not putting a bar or all thread across the overflow pipe
I’ll post pictures once I have it completed

 

[wide eyed and legless]

It's (3/8")10 mm bolts for the holes in the malt pipe. It does seem like the overflow pipe is in the way but it moves over easily. I would never use original design of suspending the malt pipe, two or three times it ended up dropping through when I was doughing in, and its a devil to get back out.

 

[Ballaratguy]

Mine measured up as 1/2”

 

[Ballaratguy]

Found this on Facebook. I’m surprised he hasn’t sold it yet
If anyone’s looking for one.....

 

[krz]

Reg Holt suggested the all thread going across the malt pipe blocking the holes and also providing a handle for lifting. Not only that if you leave enough thread on the out side of the holes it means you can lift the malt pipe that bit higher, resting the protruding thread on the wire rim. Boil off should be about 5 litres per hour, did you measure the remaining wort while still hot, or after cooling?
View attachment 115307 This is what I did with the Brau Wolf but the supporting bracket is triangular so it didn't work.

I saw some photos from you with the threaded bar across.
I thinks thats a worthwhile mod, for me, just to get the extra 1 - 2 litres in.

I lost close top 5 litres during the boil, maybe 4 and I measures the wort cool, I took a sample, cooled it, then measured in the refractometer.

 

[krz]

@krz do you have the gravity reading from the 35lt mash? Just out of curiosity

Yes I have but it didnt make lot of sense this time.

It was 1.046 pre boil, after sparge.
It was 1.060 post boil.

 

[krz]

Another question, how the hell did you lift it? It took me three goes to lift almost 12 kg of wet grain from the mash tun, maybe I should have put it on the deck.

I didnt find it that hard to lift it.
When I first got the guten I was a bit paranoid about the lifting soaked grain, luckily Aldi had a special buy on and I bought a 1-2 Ton block and tackle.
I used the block and tackle for 2 brews, after that it sat in the cupboard gathering dust with a number of other things I have bought.
Even with 12.5kg soaked grain, I can lift it. Its a little scary with that dodgy lifting handle. Maybe, one day I'll drop it, but not yet.

 

[FarsideOfCrazy]

Yes I have but it didnt make lot of sense this time.

It was 1.046 pre boil, after sparge.
It was 1.060 post boil.

Make sure you mix the wort after you sparge, before you take a reading. If you're taking a refrac reading and just getting a sample from the top it is quite diluted.

I have had this happen during a brew before was expecting 1.046 and got 1.016! Slight panic, then realized what had happened. Gave it a stir and it was fine.

 

[Ballaratguy]

Mine measured up as 1/2”

I Remeasured the hole and found that it is actually 11mm
The 1/2” bolt will screw into that size hole making it a nice firm fit

 

[nosco]

Hi all. Got up early to brew this today but my Guten keeps turning on and off. I have a Smartpid installed in it. Ive been using it for a long time. Today its decided to start turning on and off during the mash. It will turn on for about 30 secs and then turn off again. After a minute it will power up again and the Smartpid will ask if I want to resume. Repeat. A bit pissed off. Its only when the elements and pump are going. If I leave it in a menu then its ok.

Any idea's?

Edit: not surprisingly its only when the element is on 100%. Getting to the next mash step is going to take a while

 

[YAPN]

Any idea's?

When mine did this (no Smartpid) I found a few square inches of charred material on the bottom of the unit. Batch was ruined. Figured I had the pump return pipe open too much and it was taking too much liquid from under the malt pipe.

Don't know if this helps.

 

[nosco]

Could be right there. It turned of again heating up to the next step. I lifted out the malt pipe to let it drain and it worked fine. I accidentally mashed in at 52c. Trying to put in a recipe at 5.30am was a bad move . My Bo Pils accidentally got a protein rest so there was a heap of haze. Hopefully it hasnt burned to the bottom. I am pretty carefull when opening up the recirc so should be ok. It was no where near over flowing. Ill give the element a scrape before the boil.

Cheers.

 

[nosco]

Yep it scorched on the element. Thats a tipper. I also tried the whirlpool arm from KK. You cant use it with the lid on and the pump got blocked which has never happened to me before. I wont bother with it next brew.

 

[YAPN]

the pump got blocked which has never happened to me before

That's what likely happened to me too.

I think I remember WEAL explaining that some combination of the recirc pipe being opened/closed and the pump being switched on/off will result in some drawback into the recirc pipe. I really should pay more attention.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

That's what likely happened to me too.

I think I remember WEAL explaining that some combination of the recirc pipe being opened/closed and the pump being switched on/off will result in some drawback into the recirc pipe. I really should pay more attention.

That's true, the tap has to be turned off simultaneously because of the return pipe's height cutting the power to the pump creates a syphon sucking the wort back and any grain in its path.

Nosco ask kegKing the best price on the mag pump from the Guten or Robobrew connect it to the whirlpool and the tap but be aware whether it's the Robobrew or the Guten highest temperature rating is 80 degrees C.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

Someone recently mentioned in a thread, the Guten S/Steel conical fermenter, I wasn't super impressed with the one I saw in KK shop, and because they had released the Snubby I didn't think they were going ahead with it. I have asked about it and it is still going ahead, with changes, larger dump valve, without the chiller, and able to pressure ferment to 15 psi price $199 for 30 litre capacity.

 

[Truman42]

Hi guys, Im just trying to setup my beer smith profile and am not 100% sure on the settings for Recoverable mash deadspace and mash dead space losses. I copied the settings from this post here
GUTEN

He had mash tun addition at 3.41 litres and Lauter tun losses at 3.41 litres but I cant work out why we have any losses when we dont transfer to another vessel anyway?