Group Barley Wine

[pmastello]

No, Duane isn't going to ferment his own batch - there will only be 7 batches made.

Smaller bottles are the go for sure. If we do a 6 pack to each person plus Duane, 0.375 x 6 x 7 = 15.75L given away, meaning you will get at least 5-6L for yourself. More if you use 330mL bottles. Hmm, Do I really want 5L of Lager yeast barley wine?Maybe a Wyeast 1762 Belgian II or 1728 Scottish Ale instead... Decisions decisions

 

[silvana]

Sounds goods to me,

In that case I will have to commit to one yeast.
I might make up a small extract batch and pitch brett and based on how that goes deicide if Im ready to commit to 20L of barely wine.
If not, I'm thinking of 3522 Belgian Ardenes or a Brittish yeast not being done already.

 

[joshuahardie]

3522 Belgian Ardenes is a awesome yeast. My fav Belgian strain

 

[joshuahardie]

3522 Belgian Ardenes is a awesome yeast. My fav Belgian strain

 

[pmastello]

I may also change to Scottish ale then. More suited to a Barley Wine.

Pete - Scottish Ale (WY1728)
Josh - Dry English Ale (Whitelabs 007)
KT - Wyeast 3463 - Forbidden Fruit
Marc - Old Ale
Jay - safale US-05
Brock - Belgian saison
Ben - Ardennes or English

 

[pmastello]

Hey Guys,
Turns out the 24th of May isn't good for Duane, as he is on holidays.
Any preferences for the weekend's either side of that? 17th May or 31st?

 

[mr_wibble]

I'm easy.

 

[Jaynus]

17th!

 

[silvana]

17th will be much better for me

 

[pmastello]

Looks like it's the 17th then.
I've started growing my yeast this weekend - Brewed up a low gravity Helles to ferment for the next few weeks. I should have a great big yeast cake ready for the brewday on the 17th.

Anyone else started? I figure everyone is aware, but no harm in saying it - You will need lots of yeast to ferment this beer. Please don't chuck in a single pack of liquid yeast and think that will work

 

[joshuahardie]

bugger that is the weekend of the AHB pub crawl.

I'll have to miss the crawl, as this was organised was before then.

 

[mr_wibble]

I've pre-ordered a stir-plate from Digital Homebrew, but it wont get here until May.

I was planning on making a 2 litre starter - that should be enough... right ?

-kt

 

[Goldenchild]

I am at a bucks that weekend i will have to pick up my cube from Duanes another day.
I will pass some money onto Jay to cover costs. Do we have a Guestimate on that?

My packets of wyeast old ale arrived last week with a date from way back in 2012. Do you think i will need to make a starter?

 

[pmastello]

I am at a bucks that weekend i will have to pick up my cube from Duanes another day.
I will pass some money onto Jay to cover costs. Do we have a Guestimate on that?

My packets of wyeast old ale arrived last week with a date from way back in 2012. Do you think i will need to make a starter?

Nah, just chuck one pack in, I reckon it'll be right. :unsure:
As for costs, I'll catch up with Duane on the weekend and work out the total cost for everyone.

KT, I can lend you my stirplate and flask if you want. I can drop it off at Duanes on Saturday morning or at your place if its not too far out of the way.
2L simple starter with one pack won't be enough, stir plate will help, but you may need to do two steps.
This will give you an idea of how much you need http://www.mrmalty.com/calc/calc.html

 

[mr_wibble]

I don't really understand Mr Malty.

How do I calculate an O2 infused wort, with a O2 infused stir-plate starter?

I plugged in: 1.09 OG, 25 litres, and a 50% viability.
(is 25 litres correct? 180/7 == 25ish)

I figured I would need to do a multi-step starter. But 4 litres, geeze :blink:

 

[joshuahardie]

It would not be 4 litres of yeast
would be a 4 litre starter that may produce 500ml of yeast.

this is one of those times that creating a normal 1050 beer and fermenting it out, then pitching onto the yeast cake is the easy way to go.

Heck, I am just going to do a kit brown ale to get me the yeast i need and the bonus is i get some beer out of it too.

 

[mr_wibble]

Yeah, maybe that's the way to go.

 

[mr_wibble]

Right, I knocked up a Belgian Pale ale today ... but only after I cleaned the algae out of my HLT (first brew since Jan).
I think I started at 6:30 am, and didn't finish until 14:00. I think I might need to not leave the brewing vessels outside in the weather.

Used bottled oxygen on the wort for the first time too, hope I didn't stuff it up too much ... the fricken pipe kept wanting to spring-form back out of the wort.
I might have to make a +5 Wand of Oxygenation with some small diameter stainless pipe I have.

cheers,
-kt

 

[pmastello]

Nice one. that reminds me I need to buy a new O2 bottle...

 

[Wilkensone]

Nice one. that reminds me I need to buy a new O2 bottle...

Whats the damage on O2 bottles? Can they be swapped out etc the same as CO2?

 

[mr_wibble]

Disposable bottles.

$55 at Marks -
Bottle only - http://www.ubrew.com.au/web/showproduct.asp?prodid=857
Oxygenation kit - http://www.ubrew.com.au/web/showproductlist.asp?catid=9&subcatid=13

It should last at least 100 brews (did someone say 200?)

EDIT: Posted wrong link

 

[pmastello]

I didn't get anywhere near 100. More like 20-30. Maybe I was overoxygenating? I don't think so, but maybe.
Also, I use these http://www.gasweld.com.au/1811420-bernzomatic.html

 

[mr_wibble]

Yeah I dunno.

I saw one demonstrated on a brewing course at Monday2Sunday.

James had it screwed in to a t-piece on the exit from the plate chiller to the fermenter.
It was only bubbling very slightly.

Edit: Ah that bottle you linked to is 40 grams, but Mark's are 136 grams.
(that's close to 100 brews on the 30-per end)

Edit2: apostrophe police

 

[joshuahardie]

So my 20L yeast starter is bubbling away nicely (brown ale) how are we looking for this weekend.

Recipe and ingredients finalised?

How much do we owe duane for the gear?

 

[pmastello]

My helles is pretty much finished now, just cleaning up. I'll leave it on the yeast till the barleywine is ready to pitch. I'm planning on just chucking the wort straight onto the yeast cake - no washing, etc. I figure any of the carryover flavours from a helles will be no existant in the Barley Wine.

Slight change of recipe - I was ordering the bittering hops from Hop Dealz, however he contacted me after ordering to say they had run out of Warrior. I decided to go with Magnum instead - High alpha, low co-humulone. Should do the job nicely.
As for costs, I've emailed Duane for a list of how much it all came to, but from what I can work out (estimates only) -

Pale Malt - $90
Liquid malt extract - $150
Munich - $20
Crystal $10

Magnum - $38.55
Galaxy - ?

Extras
Gas bottle refill - $20
Fresh wort cube - $10 each (Or bring your own)

About $46 per person, plus $10 if you need a cube.

 

[joshuahardie]

Sounds like a plan,
As I said before, I won't be able to get there until noonish, after I have finished up with the kids sport.

Sounds like I would be getting there somewhere near the end of the sparge?

 

[pmastello]

As for a plan for the day, Duane has agreed to open up a bit earlier for us at 8am. I plan on getting there then and start milling the 50odd kg of malt :unsure: I could certainly use at least one persons help with this as I am sure it will get old fast.
A few people have morning commitments with kids sport etc, that's cool. Turn up when you can. I'm sure the early risers will be happy to hand over the reigns by 12ish to the latecomers. With what I can only imagine would be a long sparge and 2 hour boil, I would imagine being cleaned up and finished by mid afternoon.

I will also be hitting up George for some Ribs to smoke on Duanes smoker, so lunch will be provided. Please bring a few extra bucks for lunch.

 

[mr_wibble]

I'm planning on getting there early, 8 should be do-able.

I don't know if I'll have any mini-brewers along with me.

 

[brockerst]

I should be there at about 9.

My 20L starter is chugging along nicely.

 

[Jaynus]

I'll be there early, what can I bring?