Goodbye Tony

[GABBA110360]

the next thread will be titled goodbye BILL or goodbye MALCOM or HOW MANY KNIVES JULIE same **** different day

 

[MHB]

Tony Who?

 

[Droopy Brew]

Ahhhh... The Australian... for real whacked out purist dribble...

But in response - why not? If the floods are linked to climate change caused by burning coal, why not make them pay for it? if i accidentally light a fire and it burns someones house down, they can quite rightly sue me for damages. At the moment, companies don't pay for a lot of the environmental damage they cause (the economic tern is externalities) and they should.At the moment, companies privatise profits and socialise risk because government s (and by extension taxpayers) pay to clean up after them.

You make a mess, you pay to clean it up. I have no problem with that.

Find me a lawyer that can prove that the floods were created by the Australian coal mines in question- or any for that matter. Im not saying mining as a whole doesnt have environmental impacts- they do, but to lay a weather event at the feet of a few is pure stupidity.
Obviously you are a green supporter- thats fine each to their own and I wont bother trying to change anybodies political persuasion but Id say you are oblivious to the damage they would do if given enough power. Pretty much anyone that likes to get out and enjoy the environment would be locked out by this mob if they had their way. Wouldnt bother them- they (the politicians) would just about exclusively live in cities and have no interest in actually enjoying the environment rather they would appease their own guilt ( I would love to see the individual carbon footprint of your garden variety green polly) by locking others out.

There are too many examples to give and you would find a way to justify them no doubt but Ill give you one that just smacks of arse about science- their rabid opposition to controled burns. Any ecologist worth his salt will list a multitude of benefits to the environment from reducing fuel loads by controlled burns that greatly reduce large intense bush fires that cause massive environmental damage.

Anyway that aside- Turnbull may have some environmental conscience which is fantastic, but he is smart enough to know not to get into bed with those looneys- and politically he would have no need to. Unless he balsses this up I reckon the LNP are sweet for at least 2 terms.

 

[goomboogo]

Does this mean Turnbull can drop the facade of the past several years and admit he sold out on the NBN? Can we now have a Prime Minister who has at least heard of the internet and is prepared to commit to a 21st century network?

 

[Danscraftbeer]

One term Tony........................Not!

 

[seamad]

Does this mean Turnbull can drop the facade of the past several years and admit he sold out on the NBN? Can we now have a Prime Minister who has at least heard of the internet and is prepared to commit to a 21st century network?

ahh fraudband
At least we've gone from the dark ages with tones to the age of copper with turnbull

 

[jlm]

I'd prefer if it was Christopher Pyne..

I love him as education minister......Repeat this phrase in your head, but in Chris's voice (not mine, which is obviously an earthy baritone that would make the bowels of Barry White tremble when I hit the low notes) and try and tell me you couldn't hear it coming out of his mouth.

"I mean sure......I was molested by a few different clergymen in my time at St Ignaitus......but I insisted my parents didn't make any complaints because it would have been bad for the school"

That's the kind of stereotypical old boy we need casting his one open eye over the nations schools.

 

[Danscraftbeer]

Find me a lawyer that can prove that the floods were created by the Australian coal mines in question.

Sorry I could'nt help but giggle a little at this. A lawyer? up against the highest payed lawyers owned by the biggest wealthiest most powerful heavy polluters? No chance.
Conspiracy theory? or reality?

Check out a Documentary called: Merchants of Doubt for some relevance. Scientists and scientific evidence has been little competition against them. Although after decades they did manage to prove that cigarettes are bad for you. So there is hope still.

To campaign and say its all crap while at the same time planning their new drilling areas for oil once the Ice caps melt away and clear the path. They new the science was real all along.
I think we are well past the mythology and hoax theories. The science needs to be taken seriously. (both ways!) or left and right wing/everybody loses.

Talking about the whole Global scale thing in general etc.
$0.02

 

[jlm]

Does this mean Turnbull can drop the facade of the past several years and admit he sold out on the NBN? Can we now have a Prime Minister who has at least heard of the internet and is prepared to commit to a 21st century network?

Wwwwwweeeeeeeeellllllllll.........At the risk of opening a completely different can of worms, and as some one who has had the super fast fibre speeds and now has the decent enough fixed wireless speeds, and also has gone back to hauling fibre to the premise due to the new rates which are particularly attractive if you can work a crew of monkeys well enough...........At what price (and I'm talking real dollars here) do you value this 21st century network to be rolled out right now? Seeing as the majority of premises I'm a part of connecting are domestic, and get to see what's invoiced for the work just to get from pit to premise....... never mind the backbone behind that, I really have to wonder with the speeds my fixed wireless connection gets (slightly faster than ADSL) if its worth spending all this coin to connect domestic situations where realistically ADSL speeds aren't currently holding back your life in any significant way.

 

[Tropico]

Tony Who?

Who's next

 

[Eagleburger]

The west laughed at Thailand and the way they churned through PM's. Immature was the agreed label. I think we have surpased them.

A likable leader is not always the best leader. It is not a popularity contest FFS. I probably have TA(I had to think of his name, just sayin) at the same position on my BBQ invitation list in the same place as most people here.

This is just ********. Poor economic leadership??? The world is in recession!!

I hope you all enjoy spending your superannuation on your mortgage and a new car.

Did I mention that abbot is a *******?

 

[Eagleburger]

A puppet is only as good as the hand in its arse.

 

[spog]

Haven't read the post's on this topic but here's hopping the Tony never hired a helicopter or drove a train otherwise this thread will be the same as Goodbye Bronwyn's , 80 pages and 1580 replies !
But,as I understand it no Prime Minister goodies for him,that's an immediate saving of 660 k per year for Australia,thank **** .

Please continue.

 

[goomboogo]

Jim, you can't measure future potential unrealised against the benchmarks of today. We can't know now what the future will hold if more people have access to higher quality internet connections. Twenty-five years ago, most people couldn't envision the internet we have today. The full benefit of the highest quality internet service is not something we can conceive of right now. But in twenty-five years we'll live in a time that has requirements that exceed what we imagine right now, those requirements will be.

In terms of cost, you say can we afford it? Conversely, can we afford not to do it? We should never lose sight of the fact that no sovereign government in control of a fiat currency is revenue constrained.

 

[manticle]

Haven't read the post's on this topic but here's hopping the Tony never hired a helicopter or drove a train otherwise this thread will be the same as Goodbye Bronwyn's , 80 pages and 1580 replies !
But,as I understand it no Prime Minister goodies for him,that's an immediate saving of 660 k per year for Australia,thank **** .
Please continue.

Plenty of goodies in store for him mate.

 

[Pogierob]

I'd like to dedicate a little song to good old Tony,

I'd like everyone to take a moment and have a little sing along if you don't mind .... Please be sure to join in on the chorus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwO7jPv_RUI

 

[jlm]

Jim, you can't measure future potential unrealised against the benchmarks of today. We can't know now what the future will hold if more people have access to higher quality internet connections. Twenty-five years ago, most people couldn't envision the internet we have today. The full benefit of the highest quality internet service is not something we can conceive of right now. But in twenty-five years we'll live in a time that has requirements that exceed what we imagine right now, those requirements will be.

In terms of cost, you say can we afford it? Conversely, can we afford not to do it? We should never lose sight of the fact that no sovereign government in control of a fiat currency is revenue constrained.

I question the cost involved to supply a large section of the country with speeds that are realistically only going to be used for home entertainment. I have no issue with the network being put in place to provide business' that require that speed to get their job done.

Fast internet in the home is not a basic human right. ADSL will put netflix on your box just fine. The money could be spent far better elsewhere. Maybe eliminating mobile and internet backstops in regional areas for one, but even then there's bigger issues at hand.

 

[Danscraftbeer]

What entitlements didn't he receive then? The annual dollar sign? Considering the quotable spit in the faces of many people including working class taxpayers etc.
The Age of entitlement is over!

 

[SBOB]

I question the cost involved to supply a large section of the country with speeds that are realistically only going to be used for home entertainment.

I question the cost involved in building roads that I will never drive on.

Actually, I dont but its a similar mentality.

Infrastructure such as the NBN should be a higher priority than it is, as its deployment provides future growth (both planned and unplanned from ideas that havent been realised)
Plus, if it was done right in the first place its 'true' cost to the tax payer/budget is minimal due to the large majority of the funding coming from government backed bonds to raise the capital..not a single country is rolling out copper so why bother rolling out upgrades that continue to use it (you're already resigned to paying $x to roll out some arbitrary upgrade, why not spend $x + $y and do it right the first time instead of having to come back later and re-do it, but that will be on some other governments dime so who cares right)

 

[Black Devil Dog]

Interesting how this will play out.

The Canning by-election on the weekend was looking really close, possibly even a loss for the LNP after winning 62% of the votes last election.
I suspect that was a major factor in the party acting when they did. Turnbull has been polling better than Abbott for some time and maybe they felt if they acted now, they might prevent Canning going to Labor.

That Abbott will fall short of his full Prime Ministerial entitlement by a few days, is an unfortunate/fortunate coincidence.

If the gamble pays off for the LNP and they hold Canning by a good margin, they might be tempted in the next few months to call an early election. Don't know how well that would go down with the punters though.

If Turnbull polls well and Shorten doesn't, the pressure shifts to the Labor party. Conversely, if Turnbull polls poorly, the LNP and Turnbull will be shot ducks.

Whatever happens, the main players in the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd/Abbott era, which has been one of the lowest points in Australian politics, are all gone and hopefully we can have a more progressive and inclusive government.

Time will tell.