Goodbye Bronwyn

[manticle]

We will all make up our own minds whether a particular job is skilled or otherwise. If I study and train for over ten years and practice as a GP, am I considered skilled? From my perspective, I consider an ice sculptor to be more skilled than a GP.

GP would come under professional. M&BB is correct - there are applied definitions to occupations (generally related to immigration intake here).

It's not just a matter of opinion (although the description as 'unskilled' was exactly that. Uninformed opinion too. )

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

So disappointed. All those years at TAFE learning a skill when I could have been earning better dough, sitting for long periods and avoiding human feces..

Yep. All those years hauling cables in really ideal conditions like mud, hot roofs in summer, rain in winter, terminating cables late into the night, cuts, bruises, dealing with emergency outages, 24/7 on-call for years

Why the **** did I bother doing that when I could have just gone straight into management.

 

[mje1980]

Yeah exactly, and then all you need to ever do is tick a box so your kpi's are met. Doesn't matter that you know nothing about the process of the business, long as the box is ticked, then the guy above you can tick his boxes and everyone gets a bonus!. Easy


Only downside is having to work with lowly tradesman and semi skilled people.

 

[malt and barley blues]

Only downside is having to work with lowly tradesman and semi skilled people.

Nothing wrong with being a tradesman or semi skilled, I came over here in 1977, working as a fitter machinist chased the big paying jobs and worked all the hours I could, I invested wisely (property) by 1992/3 my investments were making more money than I could make.

I have no doubt there would be train drivers knocking up $140,000 if they put the hours in, I mean that figure wouldn't have just been plucked out of thin air.

For a semi skilled occupation that is good money, and I can understand that they don't want any more at the trough, but not at the expense of fellow workers not earning as much, being denied a right to travel to work.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

I have doubt there would be train drivers knocking up $140,000 if they put the hours in, I mean that figure would have just been plucked out of thin air.

 

[wobbly]

Why the **** did I bother doing that when I could have just gone straight into management.

So enlighten us

Wobbly

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

I wish I could, but I am just a lowly tradie..skilled ( in some eyes ) but just a tradie

 

[Dave70]

Personally, I envy mechanical engineers and biomolecular chemists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI_hOP_K6MY

 

[malt and barley blues]

Not forgetting the Marine Biologist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u8KUgUqprw

 

[malt and barley blues]

I wish I could, but I am just a lowly tradie..skilled ( in some eyes ) but just a tradie

So then, you would have earned more money than you would in management. Yes?

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

What has money got to do with it.

Are you trying to be superior ?

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

So then, you would have earned more money than you would in management. Yes?

Actually, at one point I was earning more than my manager.

 

[malt and barley blues]

What has money got to do with it.

Are you trying to be superior ?

I am not your mother, money is the reason we go to work, remember.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

So money is everything is it, Mother Superior

 

[malt and barley blues]

Certainly is my son, if you are going to have to go to work, get the best reward for your efforts as you can get.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

I would rather not be your son. I find that offensive

 

[mje1980]

10+ years ago no one gave a crap what anyone did for a living or scrutinised how much they earned for it or made a judgement on whether they were "worth" that much money, or if the job they did was technically skilled or semi skilled. These days for some reason lots of people want to point the finger at other people about whether they deserve to get paid for what they do. It's quite ridiculous and kind of sad IMHO.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

I know a lot of managers that dont deserve to be paid B)

 

[mje1980]

Yeah, but like any other profession/trade/semi skilled/skilled job, there are people in all those jobs/professions who don't deserve to be paid, and some who are worth way more. Just like people you meet in the street, most are great, but there are ********* in every group.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

This is true, but some seem to think that unless your earning heaps, your worthless ( bad pun, but a pun all the same )