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slcmorro

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Hey guys,

Although I'm very new to brewing and making my own stuff at home, I thought about putting together a quick tutorial type thing about how I'm making hard cider at home. I'm not one for buying expensive equipment or trying to complicate things, so this is how I do it right out of the original bottles you buy the juice in.

My techniques might not be the most advanced, nor even the best out there (undoubtedly someone will disagree with some or even all of this at one point or another), but this has worked for me so far. The beauty of the way I'm doing it, is it's very simple, very quick and not very scientific at all. No hydro readings, no exact measurements, nothing hard. I even let these sit on a table in the study at ambient temperature. Our house stays around 20c all year round, so it's perfect in my opinion. There's not even any sterilisation to worry about at this stage. Just make sure the juice you buy is preservative free.

Any advice I give is just that, advice. Be safe, be careful and if you don't know what you're doing - ask!

I got these for $2.25 per 3L bottle from the SPC outlet here in Ballarat. Winner!


I'm using a dry yeast called Lalvin EC1118 which cost me $4 from my LHBS. It's only a 5 gm packet, yet as you can see in the pictures above and below, I've used it for 21L of apple and pear juice. It works, trust me. This stuff ferments out in around 5 days if you like your cider sweet, 7 for mid and 9 onwards for dry.


All I've done, is taken about 150ml out of each bottle. Then, I've sprinkled on top (yes, you can rehydrate if you want, but it's easier to sprinkle in this case) carefully measured out equal quantities of the yeast onto the surface of the liquid in the original bottles. When I say carefully, my eyes are brilliant. Promise.

Then, I've replaced the caps, Michael J Foxed the buggery out of the bottles and removed the caps. Finally, all you need to do is cut small squares of cling wrap to fit over the bottles and put an elastic band around it so it stays in place (I steal the missuses really small hairties). Give the bottle a small squeeze to see if you've created a decent seal. The cling wrap should bubble upwards. After that, a small pin prick in the wrap and they're good to sit in my study for about a week. We like ours not sweet nor dry.



Further, for those that want to complete the process, it's as simple as adding in some more sugars at the end, once you're happy with your cider in terms of the fermentation. I used powdered dextrose, mostly because I have a very very good supply of it. Be careful when you do this. The bottles will fizz up mega fast, so be ready with a cap (not too tight, just enough to seal but let air out) to throw on before it spills everywhere. Same principle now applies in terms of letting it carbonate. I usually leave the lids slightly unscrewed overnight and then tighten them in the morning. Once the bottles are pretty tight, I then throw them in the fridge to put the yeast to sleep, and that's that!

Do NOT leave these lying around at anything above 6c. The yeast will start re-fermenting the added sugars (or remaining sugars if you stopped it short of using them all) in the juice and things will start getting very messy!

You can go into the secondary fermentation process and rack/bottle off the original if you want to, but I'm too lazy. You can drink it right away once it's carbonated to your liking, or you could even drink it flat and warm (some ciders, especially in winter, taste awesome warm!) as is... or... you could add in a secret ingredient like I do... I'll share it with you. $6 a bottle from the SPC outlet again, this stuff is the best.


Spiced Apple is basically apple and cinnamon cordial (excellent though) and the Ginger speaks for itself.

I hope this was of some use to someone. Happy brewing! :)

P.S - I have used Just Juice Apple and Pear (as seen above), Apple, Apple and Raspberry and Apple and Mango with good results.
 
I'd be real careful carbonating in those juice bottles. They aren't designed to take pressure. Your PET softdrink bottle is a masterpiece of modern materials engineering. It will take 100PSI. Those may look similar but they aren't engineered the same way. They will end up going foom. And you will end up with cider everywhere.
 
I carbonate in them with the lid slightly unscrewed overnight as it says above, and then when I'm able to watch them the next morning and the bottles are where I want them in terms of pressure, they go in the fridge. I'll edit the above to include that. Thanks :)
 
If you can get an Oztops packet from your brew shop they come with lids for these bottles and soft drink type bottles that allow the cider to ferment but carbonate at the same time. You can stop the fermentation at anytime you taste buds like. Australian Fresh cloudy apple makes a great cider about 3 days into the ferment.
 
Yeah... the one problem with the ad hoc approach to cider making (bung some juice and stuff together and go for it) is that it may well make a great cider but it may well equally make something awful... and you won't know why. Even more importantly, you won't know how to do it again, or not do it again if it was awful.

A few hydrometer readings aren't exactly hard and the equipment isn't exactly expensive. Its a tiny investment in time and equipment for a huge improvement in consistency. In fact anyone who ever bought a home brew kit already has a hydrometer somewhere.

And before anyone says that we made cider successfully before hydrometers, just bear in mind that we have also been using primitive hydrometers in brewing since the 1500s. Interestingly, an egg was used to indicate the gravity of worts and musts for brewing. There were also a bunch of interesting techniques around measuring temperature without thermometers and stuff like that. We got scientific about brewing very early on and for good reason. We may not have had modern instruments but we were certainly making use of a consistent and repeatable process.

With the easy to use measuring equipment we have nowadays there really is no excuse (other than I couldn't be arsed) for not using them.

Cheers
Dave
 
It's not just the hydrometer thing though (which is important). It's the whole attitude - "Doesn't matter. You'll still get pissed."

They sell ****** alcohol at the shop, guys. Lots easier.
 
That's no' how you make porridge.
 
At first I thought "just juice?" the guy's been ripped off. Then I saw the price, good buying. I wonder if you can get that apple cordial Australia Wide?
 
bum said:
It's not just the hydrometer thing though (which is important). It's the whole attitude - "Doesn't matter. You'll still get pissed."

They sell ****** alcohol at the shop, guys. Lots easier.
You are 100% correct. They sell flagons of sherry or a 4l cask of goon at dans for a couple of bucks. If pissed is what you want, do that. Its way easier and you don't have to wait for a few days while it ferments.

If you want to make cider (or anything for that matter) why not invest a tiny amount of time, energy, care and giving a **** to make something that tastes really good as well.

Cheers
Dave
 
Thanks for the super helpful, constructive feedback guys. No really, I appreciate it.

I'll be sure next time to not bother trying to put something together, I mean why bother right?
 
hey slcmorro. For what it's worth I thought the quite angry response to your thread sucked donkeys balls. Would I use your technique.... probably not, but I like the fact you kept it extremely simple. you even prefaced the whole thing by reminding everyone of the fact it was a simple 'how to'. You're all good in my books bud. Wish some people would chill out a little on this forum to be honest. Don't take the criticism to heart ok!
 
Thanks Damien13. I never purported this method to be perfect, good or even up to the lofty standards of it's many critics and I pretty clearly labelled myself a total beginner. Just a shame that people can't see it for what it's worth and actually provide something constructive rather than drawing from the levels of a 10 year old in their replies. Plainly, it's just free advice on the internet. Take it or leave it, either way you've only wasted a little bit of time and money if it doesn't turn out to your liking. This works fine for me, and I'm happy with the result so I thought I'd share my self-taught technique.
 
Bribie G said:
I wonder if you can get that apple cordial Australia Wide?
Just read the bottle mate, and there are some details for the company on it.

Murray Breweries
29 Last St Beechworth VIC
www.murraybreweries.com.au
1800 990 098

Hope that helps! :)
 
all good buddy... haters gonna hate
you sound like such a helpful chat. Thought you might like this vid.
 
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slcmorro said:
I never purported this method to be perfect, good...
But hey, that won't stop me from writing a tutorial on how to do it.

slcmorro said:
I pretty clearly labelled myself a total beginner.
But hey, that won't stop me from writing a tutorial on how to do it.

slcmorro said:
actually provide something constructive
Dave's tutorial posted only a few days ago was pretty constructive. I hope people read that one instead.

People read these things. People follow the things written in them without considering them for even a second.

Now apparently people write them with the same level of care.
 
bum said:
People follow the things written in them without considering them for even a second.
Who are these morons you speak of. I consider all on this forum to be quite intelligent! Perhaps I am just lucky in knowing only the smart ones? Surely I can't be that lucky?
 
Ok, my turn.

Firstly, I havent been on here for long either. This forum has a vast wealth of information on it. I am not going to judge the proportion of good and bad information on here, suffice to say I have found many interesting things out whilst perusing the parts of the forum that grab my attention such as the Non Beer Brewing section. I have read your original post and took it for what it is worth; Simple. I take my own cider brewing a little more seriously than the method you describe, not a hell of a lot...yet!

Dont let a little flame action bring you down, your entitled to make a post and inadvertently here and there your going to upset Bum. I've done it, and I'm sure many before have as well. You may notice that above Bum's thingo on the left is "not entitled to an opinion" this is sarcasm as below that about an inch you will read he has 10,000 odd posts under his belt. So what conclusion can be drawn from this you ask? Well, I'd say Bum is entitled to an opinion, just like the rest of us, and he aint scared to share it with you.

The Bum can come off a little harsh...thats being nice, and you can argue with him all day ( I'm sure he feeds off it ). I tried it once, didnt really work, because it happens that the majority of the time Bum is right. He just is not in possesion of the social skills required to convey his messages in a more easily digestable method than the current way he does it. Either that or Bum just likes to do it that way. Maybe he does have the neccesary social skills, he just chooses to use others.

I'm not ragging on you Bum.....or maybe I am...I'm sure you'll tell me if you feel that way and I look forward to your comments. I'm just saying that, and I quote, "**** this thread" might of been just a little rough, even for you, to enter into this post. You are capable of much more that that Bum! Thats my opinion anyway.

I dont particularly agree with this method of cider making, I'm confident there are far superior and safer ways to make a little apple booze. But each to their own, take from it what you will and do with it what you please. There's more than one way to do most things. Anyway there's my ten cents worth.

To summarize, keep posting your experiences, its a free world, dont take anything to heart. Welcome to the forum and Bums non entitled opinions LOL. As I said before, I look forward to your comments!
 
Deep End said:
There's more than one way to do most things.
Absolutely and you'll (almost) never hear me say otherwise.

Conversely, there are lots of **** ways do things. When we deliberately choose to do them shitly we should have the good grace to be quiet about them - not revel in them publicly and instruct others how to do same.
 
while bum lacked tact, he made some valid points. having said that, it's the internet so here's a picture of a cat's head inside bread.

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It's sad...I've read your reply over and over for a few minutes and I cant argue the point with you really. I have to agree that in essence, once again, in a perfect world you would be correct.

Sadly, however we dont live in one. When I read Clay's post initially I just read it and moved on to the next without much thought. But I'll give it one thing, there are bold warnings in 2 places, and and the end of the day how much harm is it going to cause? Its low pressure plastic, I dont think anyone's going to lose an eye if the Bum falls out the bottom of the bottle under pressure ( excuse the pun! ). Yea, no gravity readings, measurements, use of common, easily accessable equipment or methods.

It's not the recipe for cider you would take to the ark for an impending doomsday event! But does it cause any harm? I dont think so. If anything at least its got some intelligient after discussion that would most likely thwart any possible harm it could of done if left unattended.

It is a forum after all; a place for discussion, one could consider it a quite succesful post depending on what angle you approach it from. But I do hear what your saying Bum, dont neccesarily agree with your method of approach, but enjoy reading them and commenting to them nevertheless.
 
Fletcher: I dont disagree with what you said. And the Cat looks rather annoyed with the whole bread thing. Good call.

Your response however has me thinking, we have guides for how to do this, and how to do that all over the forum. Maybe I could spend a little time behind the keys and write " The definitive(ish) guide on how to handle Bum dropping in on your thread and telling you how it is" I know the title is a bit long and could do with some work, but its just a thought! LOL
 
Deep End said:
Sadly, however we dont live in one.
And so we don't deserve to hope for better?

Deep End said:
But does it cause any harm? I dont think so.
You're too new to know how very wrong you are. This board used to be populated by people who knew how to do stuff and would share that knowldge (outside of PMs - ******* cowards). One half-arsed guide put paid to that almost single handedly.

Deep End said:
Maybe I could spend a little time behind the keys and write " The definitive(ish) guide on how to handle Bum dropping in on your thread and telling you how it is"
It would be about as accurate as the guide under question. You're as well qualified to instruct other on that topic as he is in making ciders.
 
It's too late or I cant be arsed using the quote feature, one or the other. But here's my retort.

Yes you can hope, never said you couldn't, what would a world be without hope!

Yes I am very new to this community in comparison to many, including yourself. I was referring to immediate physical harm, and I guess you'd say I should have been more specific, maybe I should of (shrug shoulders). Dont fully grasp where you going with that comment, dont have the history to.

And I see you quoted the "maybe". Very important part of that line, was written as humour not as intent, I wouldn't be so bold as to attempt to write a guide on anything unless I had all the facts at hand, and I have little to work with in your department as far as factual information is concerned.

I look forward to your comments
 
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