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Hey guys im brewing a Vienna Lager this week:

BeerSmith Recipe Printout - www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Drops of Jupiter
Brewer: Blake Muir
Asst Brewer: Toto
Style: Vienna Lager
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (35.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 22.00 L
Boil Size: 24.57 L
Estimated OG: 1.051 SG
Estimated Color: 7.8 SRM
Estimated IBU: 25.2 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.0 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount Item Type % or IBU
4.80 kg Pilsner (2 Row) Ger (2.0 SRM) Grain 93.2 %
0.35 kg Caramunich Malt (56.0 SRM) Grain 6.8 %
28.00 gm Hallertauer Mittelfrueh [3.40%] (60 min) Hops 10.4 IBU
28.00 gm Hallertauer Mittelfrueh [3.40%] (30 min) Hops 8.0 IBU
28.30 gm Tettnang [4.50%] (15 min) Hops 6.9 IBU
1 Pkgs German Bock Lager (White Labs #WLP833) Yeast-Lager


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 5.15 kg
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Name Description Step Temp Step Time
Mash In Add 12.87 L of water at 72.7 C 66.0 C 60 min


Just ordering the ingredients but I dont think craftbrewer have caramunich II, can anyone sudgest Something close enough?

Always get confused with all these munich, caramunich, carafa :angry:
 
Do half Caramunich I, half Caramunich III.
 
Swap out some of the base malt for dark munich and use some light/medium crystal or carapils.
 
Blake

In it's purest form Caramunich II is essentially a medium crystal malt. Maybe some Joe White Crystal 140 would be similar but not quite the same.

Anyway if it's a Vienna Lager you're making why not use all Vienna malt (or at least 50%) instead?

Something along the lines of 99% Vienna and 1% choc (or Carafa II) would work well.

Warren -
 
Went with your sudestion warren (4kg vienna) but only 1kg in stock :( , so i played around a bit and came up with this, hows it look?


BeerSmith Recipe Printout - www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Drops of Jupiter
Brewer: Blake Muir
Asst Brewer: Toto
Style: Vienna Lager
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (35.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 23.00 L
Boil Size: 25.68 L
Estimated OG: 1.052 SG
Estimated Color: 20.8 EBC
Estimated IBU: 24.7 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.0 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount Item Type % or IBU
4.20 kg Pilsner (2 Row) Bel (3.9 EBC) Grain 74.3 %
1.00 kg Vienna Malt (6.9 EBC) Grain 17.7 %
0.40 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 80L (157.6 EBC) Grain 7.1 %
0.05 kg Cara Munich III (150.0 EBC) Grain 0.9 %
29.00 gm Hallertauer Mittelfrueh [3.40%] (60 min) Hops 10.2 IBU
29.00 gm Hallertauer Mittelfrueh [3.40%] (30 min) Hops 7.8 IBU
29.00 gm Tettnang [4.50%] (15 min) Hops 6.7 IBU
1 Pkgs German Bock Lager (White Labs #WLP833) Yeast-Lager


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 5.65 kg
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Name Description Step Temp Step Time
Mash In Add 14.12 L of water at 72.7 C 66.0 C 60 min


Notes:
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The malt comparison chart I got of this forum says a light crystal (40-50) would be comparible to Caramunich 2, but it's only someones opinion. :D
 
Looks pretty good Blake. 8% total Crystal malts may be considered a little on the high side for some tastes though and won't give you as dry a finish as you'd probably like. I'd probably keep it around 5% max and bring the colour up with around 1% roast (choc or Carafa II).

If that's not possible just stick with your current recipe I'm sure it will still make an excellent Vienna all the same.

Warren -
 
never mind Ross has come to the rescue, Vienna in stock now so ive gone with this:

Thanks for the tips Warren!! :beerbang:

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BeerSmith Recipe Printout - www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Drops of Jupiter
Brewer: Blake Muir
Asst Brewer: Toto
Style: Vienna Lager
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (35.0)

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Batch Size: 23.00 L
Boil Size: 25.68 L
Estimated OG: 1.048 SG
Estimated Color: 19.8 EBC
Estimated IBU: 25.5 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.0 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount Item Type % or IBU
4.00 kg Vienna Malt (6.9 EBC) Grain 76.0 %
1.00 kg Pilsner (2 Row) Bel (3.9 EBC) Grain 19.0 %
0.20 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L (39.4 EBC) Grain 3.8 %
0.06 kg Chocolate Malt (800.0 EBC) Grain 1.1 %
29.00 gm Hallertauer Mittelfrueh [3.40%] (60 min) Hops 10.5 IBU
29.00 gm Hallertauer Mittelfrueh [3.40%] (30 min) Hops 8.1 IBU
29.00 gm Tettnang [4.50%] (15 min) Hops 6.9 IBU
1 Pkgs German Bock Lager (White Labs #WLP833) Yeast-Lager


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 5.26 kg
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Name Description Step Temp Step Time
Mash In Add 13.15 L of water at 72.7 C 66.0 C 60 min
 
Now that's looking like a thing of beauty. Lock and load the recipe. :super:

Warren -
 
Cracked, Vac'd & Packed :super:

cheers Ross
 
only $9.90 including a 90gm bag of hops, 10 hops pouches and 1kg of rice hulls. With the money I save it works out even or in most cases less than my LHBS. I cant actually buy much from them because they dont have a mill and only sell grains in already packed bags, my next closest was ESB but its a bit of a drive. I still get my bits and peices from my LHBS but being able to wake up walk to the door and open the box and have the grain messured and freeshly cracked and ready to go into the tun is great.

That being said, Ross wont be so cocky soon when I order the grain bill for my quadrupel B) . He will be wishing he never vac packed my sack.............of grain........ :huh: I should go.
 
Rather than start a new tread, I'm after a substitute for it as well in an English Bitter similar to AndrewQLD's Bosuns Best Bitter.

4.5 kg JW Ale malt
0.4kg Caramunich 2
0.2kg Wheat Malt

Would switching it to a mid range crystal malt be a bit too much?
thanx
 
Joe White Crystal 140 or Baird's Medium Crystal (preferred) will do nicely.

Warren -
 
Rather than start a new tread, I'm after a substitute for it as well in an English Bitter similar to AndrewQLD's Bosuns Best Bitter.

4.5 kg JW Ale malt
0.4kg Caramunich 2
0.2kg Wheat Malt

Would switching it to a mid range crystal malt be a bit too much?
thanx

i'm brewing this one tomorrow - using .2kg each of CM I & III

cheers Ross
 
Hey Ross

I notice you stock Baird's Dark Crystal... You tried it yet? Reckon it would be more authentic than the Caramunich. :)

Warren -
 
Hey Ross

I notice you stock Baird's Dark Crystal... You tried it yet? Reckon it would be more authentic than the Caramunich. :)

Warren -

Yes warren, but not in a bitter - I've been trying to get the caramel taste of an English bitter with little success - just tried caraaroma & it was nowhere near the mark. AndQld's bitter is probably the closest to the mark i've tried. The Dark ctystal is sweet rather than caramelly, was tempted to use straight caramalt - Any ideas, anyone?

cheers Ross
 
Ross

I think the problem lies in the fact that a lot of British brewers use Brewer's Caramel which is a syrup of sorts. :unsure:

here

Strange. I usually find the British Crystal Malts give some really good results. Particularly in conjunction with around 2% Baird's Amber Malt. This tends to ehance the nuttiness a little. :chug:

Edit: Ross I've tried Caramalt. I find the flavour a little docile. Also the colour probably won't be where you want it unless you add a little roast as well.

Warren -
 

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