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mikec

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Going to have a go at a Fat Yak clone.
Trying to keep it simple.
This is also my first go at No Chill, am I on the right track with the hops?


First I created the recipe in Brewmate with No-Chill UN-selected:


Fat Yak

Recipe Specs
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Batch Size (L): 20.0
Total Grain (kg): 4.638
Total Hops (g): 65.00
Original Gravity (OG): 1.055 (P): 13.6
Final Gravity (FG): 1.014 (P): 3.6
Alcohol by Volume (ABV): 5.40 %
Colour (SRM): 7.1 (EBC): 13.9
Bitterness (IBU): 27.2 (Average)
Brewhouse Efficiency (%): 75
Boil Time (Minutes): 75

Grain Bill
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3.942 kg Ale Malt (BB) (85%)
0.464 kg Wheat Malt (BB) (10%)
0.232 kg Caramunich I (5%)

Hop Bill
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10.0 g Nelson Sauvin Pellet (11.3% Alpha) @ 60 Minutes (Boil) (0.5 g/L)
15.0 g Cascade Pellet (5.6% Alpha) @ 20 Minutes (Boil) (0.8 g/L)
10.0 g Nelson Sauvin Pellet (11.3% Alpha) @ 20 Minutes (Boil) (0.5 g/L)
15.0 g Cascade Pellet (5.6% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (Aroma) (0.8 g/L)
15.0 g Nelson Sauvin Pellet (11.3% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (Aroma) (0.8 g/L)

Misc Bill
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1.3 g Whirlfloc Tablet @ 10 Minutes (Boil)
2.5 g Yeast Nutrient @ 10 Minutes (Boil)

15 min protein rest at 52C
60 min sach rest at 66C
Stir while raising to 78C and sparge

Ferment at 18C with Wyeast 1272 - American Ale II


Then I selected No-Chill and made the following changes to the hops:

Bitterness (IBU): 24.5 (Average - No Chill Adjusted)

Hop Bill
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10.0 g Nelson Sauvin Pellet (11.3% Alpha) @ 40 Minutes (Boil) (0.5 g/L)
15.0 g Cascade Pellet (5.6% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (Boil) (0.8 g/L)
10.0 g Nelson Sauvin Pellet (11.3% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (Boil) (0.5 g/L)
15.0 g Cascade Pellet (5.6% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop) (0.8 g/L)
15.0 g Nelson Sauvin Pellet (11.3% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop) (0.8 g/L)
 

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Been a while since i had one but imo it is fairly malty, id put in 10-15% munich in there.

Id also scrap the zero minute hops and add 20 g each to the cube, then dry hop with the same. Keep the bittering hops.
Cheers
Sean
 

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If you have (can get) NZ Cascade flowers, I reckon it's better. Kinda more crisp/sharp with it, if that makes sense.
 

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Cheers guys

Brewing today so only pellets.

How does this look:

Recipe Specs
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Batch Size (L): 20.0
Total Grain (kg): 4.638
Total Hops (g): 90.00
Original Gravity (OG): 1.055 (P): 13.6
Final Gravity (FG): 1.014 (P): 3.6
Alcohol by Volume (ABV): 5.40 %
Colour (SRM): 7.6 (EBC): 14.9
Bitterness (IBU): 24.5 (Average - No Chill Adjusted)
Brewhouse Efficiency (%): 75
Boil Time (Minutes): 75

Grain Bill
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3.710 kg Ale Malt (BB) (80%)
0.464 kg Munich I (10%)
0.232 kg Caramunich I (5%)
0.232 kg Wheat Malt (BB) (5%)

Hop Bill
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10.0 g Nelson Sauvin Pellet (11.3% Alpha) @ 40 Minutes (Boil) (0.5 g/L)
20.0 g Cascade Pellet (5.6% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (in cube) (1 g/L)
20.0 g Nelson Sauvin Pellet (11.3% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (in cube) (1 g/L)
20.0 g Cascade Pellet (5.6% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop) (1 g/L)
20.0 g Nelson Sauvin Pellet (11.3% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop) (1 g/L)

Misc Bill
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1.3 g Whirlfloc Tablet @ 10 Minutes (Boil)
2.5 g Yeast Nutrient @ 10 Minutes (Boil)

15 min protein rest at 52C
60 min sach rest at 66C
Stir while raising to 78C and sparge

Ferment at 18C with Wyeast 1272 - American Ale II
 

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In the Recipe DB Forum there is a recipe and comments on a "Fatter Yak" I have brewed it several time and it is a very, very nice beer. Check it out for some guide lines.
 

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Primary fermentation is almost finished on this one.
It's a golden colour but I recall Fat Yak being a bit darker with maybe a hint of amber/red - what do the collective think?
I have some caramber, could I steep some and throw it in before fermentation is finished?
 

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Got any carafa II ?
Caramber might not make a lot of difference.

If you have some carafa II ( or any I or III ) steep some then add a little at a time until you get the colour you are after
sean
 

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boil and chill down any steeped liquid as well before you add to fermenter
 

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Got any carafa II ?
Caramber might not make a lot of difference.

If you have some carafa II ( or any I or III ) steep some then add a little at a time until you get the colour you are after
sean
I've got Carafa Special T3 - EBC is 1300-1500!
So just a wee bit of this?
 

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Try 50g steeped in 200ml overnight ( cold water), boil then chill following day, add a bit at a time until happy with colour. That way you get the colour without a lot of the dark flavours.

cheers
sean
 

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why worry about the colour?
 

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why worry about the colour?
True it probably doesn't affect things much.
But I would like to try and replicate the original. (I even have Fat Yak glasses, heh heh)
This is also learning and experience for me.
 

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Try 50g steeped in 200ml overnight ( cold water), boil then chill following day, add a bit at a time until happy with colour. That way you get the colour without a lot of the dark flavours.

cheers
sean
Cheers Seamad, will give it a go.
 

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let us know how it tastes when done
 

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True it probably doesn't affect things much.
But I would like to try and replicate the original. (I even have Fat Yak glasses, heh heh)
This is also learning and experience for me.
If its a learning experience, leave it as is.

Do a side by side taste test.
Adjust as you see fit (by only adjustusting one variable at a me)
Repeat.

this will help you understand how your adjustments effect the flavour profile of a beer.


you never know, it may be PERFECT right now and you are messing with it? B)
 

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Try 50g steeped in 200ml overnight ( cold water), boil then chill following day, add a bit at a time until happy with colour. That way you get the colour without a lot of the dark flavours.

cheers
sean

Why would you be trying to darken it when you are aiming to clone a beer that looks like this? :blink: it should be fine without the carafa...

Fat_Yak_Glass.jpg
 

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Why would you be trying to darken it when you are aiming to clone a beer that looks like this? :blink: it should be fine without the carafa...

Primary fermentation is almost finished on this one.
It's a golden colour but I recall Fat Yak being a bit darker with maybe a hint of amber/red - what do the collective think?
I have some caramber, could I steep some and throw it in before fermentation is finished?

This post has been edited by mikec: Today, 12:57 PM
 

mikec

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Hmm I'm thinking I need to go and buy one. The local was out of stock but i'll get one somewhere.
That pic is lighter than I remember.
If it's massively different I might play with half the batch. If not, I'll leave it this time.
 

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I'm convinced the recipe has changed since 2009. Does anyone have an old and new picture of it?
 

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I had it on tap the other night, I'd agree it changed slightly. Now it's more hop forward something l found quite nice for a change. I'd say just push the hop additions later in the boil or even increase the amount of hops.
I havnt tried to clone it but it's something I should get around for the misses...I much prefer the alpha ale myself :p
 

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