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Big Post Of Water Around Australia

Discussion in 'Water' started by pdilley, 27/3/09.

 

  1. pdilley

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    Posted 27/3/09
    With the topic of water and brewing coming up from time to time it would be nice to have an airlocked central post of all the water around the country that you can go to.

    I'll start up with Canberra Water Breakdown

    Canberra water comes from two primary water treatment plants. One uses chlorine gas to chlorinate, the other uses chlorine gas and UV during chlorination. There is no chloramines used in Canberra water (thank god).


    The water treatment plant has a production capacity of 250 megalitres (million litres) a day. The treatment process involves the following steps:

    coagulation and flocculation
    optional dissolved air flotation
    dissolved air flotation and filtration or direct filtration
    disinfection by chlorination
    ultraviolet disinfection
    pH adjustment and stabilisation with lime and carbon dioxide
    fluoridation by sodium silico fluoride.



    Test Typical value Unit

    pH between 7.5 and 8.5 pH units
    Alkalinity (total) 35.8 mg/L as CaCO3
    Colour (true) 2.38 Pt-Co units
    Turbidity 0.47 NTU
    Fluoride 0.91 mg/L
    Total Hardness 39.6 mg/L as CaCO3
    Iron 0.033 mg/L
    Manganese 0.010 mg/L
    Aluminium 0.033 mg/L
    Copper 0.018 mg/L
    Lead 0.0004 mg/L
    Sulfate: None given by ActewAGL, only that the detection level is 1mg/L


    LINK to Canberra Water Quality Report


    Cheers,
    Brewer Pete
     
  2. JonnyAnchovy

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    Posted 27/3/09
    Fantastic idea for a thread.

    For those in sydney who get their water from the prospect treatment plant details are below

    Test Typical value Unit

    pH between 7.7-8
    Alkalinity (total) 35-46 mg/L as CaCO3
    Colour (true) 1-2 Pt-Co units
    Turbidity 0.1-0.2 NTU
    Fluoride 1.02-1.12 mg/L
    Total Hardness 33-46 mg/L as CaCO3
    Iron 0.005-0.023 mg/L
    Manganese <0.001-0.004 mg/L
    Aluminium <0.010-0.012 mg/L
    Copper 0.007-0.046 mg/L
    Lead not detected.

    These figures are from the 2007 typical analysis from Sydney water. anyone got updated values?
     
  3. warra48

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    I wrote to our local Council, and received the following water details from them, in September 2007.

    Port Macquarie

    PH: 7.0

    Calcium: 11.3
    Magnesium: 3.9
    Sodium: 12.0
    Sulfate: 3.6
    Chloride: 18.0
    Bicarbonate: 44.7
     
  4. Bribie G

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    From the point of view of brewing you would also really need to know Magnesium and Sulphates as well, re 'Burtonisation' and whether the water has permanent or temporary hardness.
     
  5. AndrewQLD

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    Posted 27/3/09
    Bundaberg South 15/12/2009


    Calcium
    : 12.0 ppm
    Sulfate: 2.0 ppm
    Magnesium: 4.0 ppm
    Chloride: 80.0 ppm
    Sodium: 48.0 ppm
    Bicarbonate: 44.0 ppm
    PH: 7.73 @ 21c
     
  6. Adamt

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    Posted 27/3/09
    This isn't a fantastic idea for a thread, it is a fantastic idea for a Wiki article.
     
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  7. Bizier

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    Posted 27/3/09
    Great stuff.

    I am very keen to know the chlorine/chloramine situation in Sydney if anyone has any info.
     
  8. Screwtop

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    Sunshine Coast 2006:
    Gannawarra St, results detailed below


    pH 7.50
    Free Chlorine 0.12mg/L
    Dissolved Oxygen 5.30mg/L
    Turbidity 0.22NTU
    TDS 84.8mg/L
    Dissolved Sulphide 0.01mg/L
    Hardness 60mg/L
    Chloride 26mg/L
    Iron 0.005mg/L
    Manganese 0.003mg/L
    Aluminium 0.002mg/L
    Zinc 0.02mg/L
    Copper 0.02mg/L
    Chromium 0.02mg/L
    Nickel 0.02mg/l
    Calcium 15.0 mg/L
    Sodium 10.8 mg/L
    Magnesium 3.7 mg/L
    Bicarbonate 39.0 mg/L
    Sulphate 15.0 mg\L


    Sunshine Coast 2006:
    In the Buddina region, the closest monitoring site is at a park along Nicklin Way between Koorin Drive and Lutana St. The results for this site are as follows:-


    pH 7.70
    Residual Chlorine 0.30 mg/L
    Dissolved Oxygen 4.80 mg/L
    Turbidity 0.45 NTU
    TDS 82 mg/L
    Dissolved Sulfide <0.01 mg/L
    Hardness 62 mg/L as CaCO3
    Chloride 23 mg/L
    Sulphate 15 mg/L
    Iron 0.003 mg/L
    Manganese 0.002 mg/L
    Aluminium 0.014 mg/L
    Zinc 0.01 mg/L
    Copper 0.004mg/L
    Chromium <0.01 mg/L
    Nickel <0.01 mg/L
    Sodium 10.57 mg/L

    Gympie 2009:
    Jones Hill Water Treatment Plant


    Conductivity (uS/cm at25C) 298
    pH at 20"C 7.34
    Total Hardness* (as CaCO3) 61
    Temporary Hardness* (mg/L CaCO3) 48
    Alkalinity (mg/L 48
    Residual Alkalinity (meq/L) 0.0
    Silica (mg/L) 16
    Total Dissolved lons* (mg/L) 178
    Total Dissolved Solids* (mg/L) 164
    True Colour <1
    Turbidity (NTU) 4
    pH Sat.* (calc. for CaCO3) 8.8
    Saturation lndex -1.5
    Mole Ratio* 3.0
    Sodium Absorpt. Ratio* 1.7
    Figure of Merit Ratio* 0.9

    CATIONS
    Sodium Na+ 31
    Potassium K+ 1.7
    Calcium Ca++ 9.3
    Magnesium Mg++ 9.1
    Hydrogen* H+ 0.0

    ANIONS
    Bicarbonate* HCO3 58
    Carb0nate* CO3 0.1
    Hydroxide* OH 0.0
    Chloride Cl 44
    Fluoride <0.1
    Nitrate NO3 1.2
    Sulphate SO4 24

    OTHER DISSOLVED ELEMENTS
    Iron Fe 0.01
    Manganese Mn <0.01
    Zinc Zn <0.01
    Aluminium Al <0.05
    Boron B 0.02
    Copper Cu 0.03
     
  9. MAUOMBO

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    a mate of mine was involved in the testing of water which about by the break-out of crypto and giardia some years ago in Sydney. his company since went global - I'll ask him to see if he knows where to get this info...

    MAUOMBO
     
  10. kook

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    Try your local water supplier :)

    Here is the min and max data for Mt Yokine (2007), which supplies a wide range of the Perth metro area:

    pH 7.1 8.1
    Conductivity (mS/m) 60 105
    Colour (HU) <1 3
    Turbidity (NTU) <0.1 0.5
    Sodium 80 140
    Potassium 4 8
    Calcium 20 35
    Magnesium 8 10
    Hardness as CaCO3 90 130
    Chloride 140 185
    Sulphate 20 55
    Alkalinity as CaCO3 60 120
    Nitrate + Nitrite as N 0.1 0.8
    Iron 0.01 0.2
    Manganese <0.002 0.012
    Aluminium <0.008 0.08
    Silica as SiO2 10 20
    Total Filterable solids (by sum) 420 550
     
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    And here is Bibra Lakes (Perth) supply, please note the large 'range'.
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  12. etbandit

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    Melbourne - Richmond Locality:
    City West Water Quality Report 2007-2008.


    Alkalinity (as CaCO3): 13 ppm
    Hardness (as CaCO3): 16 ppm
    Calcium: 4.1 ppm
    Sulfate: 2.2 ppm
    Magnesium: 1.4 ppm
    Chloride: 7.0 ppm
    Sodium: 5.4 ppm
    PH: 7.0
     
  13. FreemanDC

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    Anyone got Gold Coast's since the de-sal plant started pumping ?
     
  14. jonocarroll

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    Seems your link is slightly broken. Try this one; Link (missed out the 'http://' which won't work properly).

    Also the data isn't '06;

    And cheers, good work. Interesting read. :icon_cheers:

    EDIT: Better yet, how about the 2008 data? Still a 5 year average, but '03-'08 this time. Found in the FAQ.

    Don't expect another before 30/6/2009 I suppose. I've left the 2006 file link there as there are some interesting changes.
     
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    Linkie for Hunter and Lake Macquarie brewers.

    Typical Composition Table

    There are monthly and average annual numbers just follow the links

    MHB
     
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    In the interest of accuracy, as I am too late to edit my original post, I have deleted it and defer to QB's most excellent reply.

    Cheers
    Nige
     
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    Gladstone, Qld


    Calcium: 16.0 ppm
    Sulfate: 23.0 ppm
    Magnesium: 8.8 ppm
    Chloride: 39.0 ppm
    Sodium: 32.0 ppm
    Bicarbonate: 91.0 ppm
    PH: 7.8

    Cheers,
    Jake
     
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  18. JonnyAnchovy

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    Anyone got up to date info for prospect/north-west Sydney? I've plugged average values from the Sydney water website into Beersmith, but can't seem to find bicarbonate anywhere.
     
  19. jonocarroll

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    Stuff it - I'm slightly bored, so here's the full 2007 data for just about all of Sydney.

    And with just a little searching;

    The 2008 data. Have fun.
     
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    Considering my subtle hint seems to have been ignored, I'll repeat and clarify:


    Put this in the damned AHB Wiki! :)
     

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