American Ale Recipe Help

[nonicman]

I'm going to rack two brews tomorrow morning. I've taken a lot of ideas from the forum and come up with two similair beers to see what happens (these are my 4th and 5th AG brews). Took a gravity reading today (both are at 1025) and have wonderful nose and flavour. I would like to dry hop the brews but after this morning sample I worried I'd be overdoing the hops and loose the malty flavours. Any suggestions are welcome. I have to restock my grain supplies so pointers on the grain profile would be great.
Both are attempts at an American Pale Ale.

Brewing Date: Sunday September 05, 2004
Head Brewer: jason leske
Asst Brewer:
Recipe: house ale

Recipe Specifics
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Batch Size (L): 22.00 Wort Size (L): 22.00
Total Grain (Kg): 5.75
Anticipated OG: 1.054
Anticipated EBC: 12.6
Anticipated IBU: 39.6
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70 %
Wort Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Actual OG: 1.052

Grain/Extract/Sugar
%
26.1 1.50 kg. Pale Ale Malt (2-row)
52.2 3.00 kg. Pilsner
4.3 0.25 kg. Vienna Malt
8.7 0.50 kg. Munich Malt Dark
8.7 0.50 kg. Cara Hell


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
20.00 g. Northern Brewer Pellet 7.70 22.5 60 min.
11.00 g. Fuggle Pellet 3.80 5.5 45 min.
10.00 g. Northern Brewer Pellet 7.70 5.7 30 min.
10.00 g. Fuggle Pellet 3.80 1.9 20 min.
10.00 g. Cascade Pellet 4.50 1.8 15 min.
10.00 g. Fuggle Pellet 3.80 1.1 10 min.
10.00 g. Cascade Pellet 4.50 1.1 5 min.
25.00 g. Cascade Pellet 4.50 0.0 Dry Hop (not done yet)


Yeast
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White Labs WLP001 California Ale

09-05-2004 house ale 2

Brewing Date: Sunday September 05, 2004
Head Brewer: jason leske
Asst Brewer:
Recipe: house ale 2

Recipe Specifics
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Batch Size (L): 22.00 Wort Size (L): 22.00
Total Grain (Kg): 5.45
Anticipated OG: 1.051
Anticipated EBC: 13.5
Anticipated IBU: 39.8
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70 %
Wort Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Actual OG: 1.050 Plato: 12.46


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name
77.1 4.20 kg. Pale Ale Malt (2-row)
9.2 0.50 kg. Munich Malt Dark
9.2 0.50 kg. Cara Hell
4.6 0.25 kg. Vienna Malt


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
20.00 g. Northern Brewer Pellet 7.70 22.9 60 min.
10.00 g. Fuggle Pellet 4.75 6.3 45 min.
10.00 g. Northern Brewer Pellet 7.70 5.8 30 min.
10.00 g. Fuggle Pellet 3.80 1.9 20 min.
10.00 g. Cascade Pellet 4.50 1.8 15 min.
10.00 g. Fuggle Pellet 3.80 1.1 10 min.
10.00 g. Cascade Pellet 4.50 0.0 0 min.


Yeast
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White Labs WLP001 California Ale

Both were mashed at 67C for 60 minutes, 10 minute mashout and batch sparged.
Irish Moss was added as kettle finings to both (last 20 minutes of boil).

Thanks

Jason

 

[Ray_Mills]

Hi
The recipes look good and are very similar, why don't you dry hop beer 1 and leave the other. It will give you a good comparison on dry hopping.
You will find the yeast is very neutral so the malt and the hops will come through.
Good luck
Ray

 

[GMK]

i agree with Ray...

Dry hop beer 1 with 35 gms of cascade pellets or 2 cascade plugs - throw the hops in the secondary and add some just boiled water - swirl and let stand for 3 mins - then rack the beer on to the hop bed.

Rack for 2 weeks min - taste every week - can leave longer in the secondary....

 

[Jazman]

he is my next plan for an apa simpe grain bill



Bugger Ass Pale Ale

A ProMash Recipe Report

Recipe Specifics
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Batch Size (L): 25.50 Wort Size (L): 25.50
Total Grain (kg): 5.90
Anticipated OG: 1.055 Plato: 13.57
Anticipated EBC: 13.9
Anticipated IBU: 42.6
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75 %
Wort Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Formulas Used
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Brewhouse Efficiency and Predicted Gravity based on Method #1, Potential Used.
Final Gravity Calculation Based on Points.
Hard Value of Sucrose applied. Value for recipe: 46.2100 ppppg
% Yield Type used in Gravity Prediction: Fine Grind Dry Basis.

Color Formula Used: Morey
Hop IBU Formula Used: Tinseth
Tinseth Concentration Factor: 1.30

Additional Utilization Used For Plug Hops: 0 %
Additional Utilization Used For Pellet Hops: 10 %


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential EBC
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2.5 0.15 kg. Weyermann Carapils (Carafoam) Germany 309.07 3
84.7 5.00 kg. Bairds Marris Otter England 318.45 5
8.5 0.50 kg. Weyermann Munich I Germany 317.42 15
4.2 0.25 kg. Weyermann Caramunich I Germany 300.71 100

Potential represented as IOB- HWE ( L / kg ).


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
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20.00 g. Hallertau Northern Brewer Pellet 10.00 22.8 90 min.
10.00 g. Hallertauer Tradition Pellet 4.60 5.2 90 min.
20.00 g. us cascade Pellet 5.40 8.8 30 min.
20.00 g. us cascade Pellet 5.40 5.7 15 min.


Yeast
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WYeast 1056 Amercan Ale/Chico

 

[jayse]

Hi Jleske,

Looking at your brews and the first thing i noticed is your attenuation was not nearly as good as you should be aiming for in a A.P.A, your final gravity should be closer to 1.015.

For malt suggestions, i don't think the 250g of vienna will really do anything so you could really leave that out next time.
Suggestions for your malt order would be look at getting a crystal malt around 120 EBC like TF crystal and only use 200-250g in each batch. The base malt i would get is JWM trad.
With your vienna malt i would look at using that as a base malt for beers as 250g you won't pick it being in there.
Deffintly get your hands on some more munich malt which ever type you can get.
Iam just using IMC munich as its only $40 a bag.
Another thing i have found for these beers is carawheat at 250g per batch for the crystal malt part of the brew works a treat.



Happy brewing
Jayse

 

[sosman]

Am I dreaming or do the yanks tend to use less of munich (or similar) malts in their APA's?

 

[jayse]

No your not dreaming SOS they don't really use any in the big comercial examples but a lot of Home brewers tend to use around 5-10%.
Its part of what makes them even better, actually the american ones won't even use a malt as full on as JWM trad ale.
But all that said i don't think these malts are out of place in these brews its what gives them the edge.

Cheers Jayse

 

[nonicman]

Thanks everybody for the excellent advice and comments. 35g of cascade for one of them, GMK's dry hopped method, so no grassy notes
Jayse, the yeasties haven't finished yet. I'm hoping for a final gravity of around 1014-1015, just wanted the yeasties to work a little in the secondary fermentor.

For the grain shopping, TF crystal, some carawheat, more munich and another sack of JWM traditional Ale. Would Vienna be a good base malt for this style (I'm guessing that the Vienna base would makeup for the lack of the munich malts), have to do a bit more research planning for the next batch.

This is my first serious attempt at brewing to style (and using munich malt ), aiming to enter a competition next year.

 

[sosman]

This is my first serious attempt at brewing to style (and using munich malt), aiming to enter a competition next year.

That is related to my question above. I found with a US recipe the aussie judges said "not enough malt" even though it was "true to style" as I recall from SNPA.

Next time round my Munich malt went up to 20% of malt bill - hasn't had the critique of judges yet.

 

[nonicman]

Sosman,
I read a simlair post in this forum (I forget where and who) of the judges advising a forum member that they needed more munich malt (they had used 500g), the member posted that he would use 1kilo next time.

 

[jayse]

Bloody judges hey. :huh:
Reminds me of when simon AKA guest lurker posted about the dry stout that the stupid judges said it was not full bodied or sweet enough for a stout,,hmmmm deeeeer...... its a dry stout.
I love my versions made more to the style SOS is talking about but can see one made with more malt flavour and balance will beat it hands down though.
Not that i brew for judges. But in the end the maltier ones are better. Like the comment 'LCPA is out of balance' 'its no good', i just shut my ears and pretend iam in the yakima yalley untill the LCPA slagging of has finshed, after all these beers are maybe not meant to be as balanced as some think they should be.

Anyway i love the style and have made more of these beers than any other.

GO THE POWER..........FUL CASCADE HOPS.


Jayse